Disputatio Usoris:Amahoney/Myrias epitome

November update

I haven't updated this in a couple of months, so it's about due. The table is not quite right because it takes its list of pages from the Vicipaedia:Paginae quas omnibus Wikipediis contineri oportet/Expansio list, and that is not fully up to date. (If you add one of the 10,000 Pages, do also update the list to show it! And if you set up a re-direct and change it in Wikidata, the program that makes this summary table can handle it, but it's faster if you update the list directly.) The master list at Meta is no longer changing as fast as it was over the summer, but it takes me a couple of days to get our list up to date, which is why it happens piecemeal and infrequently. This morning, though, I figured something would be better than nothing! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 17:08, 10 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

Not sure where to add Bellum Hispano-Americanum, which I've recently created. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:02, 2 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)

Look at the Wikidata item to find the English (or French, Italian, or German) page that corresponds. The title of those pages will appear in our table (the "Expansio" page noted above -- go in there and replace the foreign languages with the Latin title. I expect to update the list over the first week of the semester in idle moments; that's a messy process but as the list at Meta seems to have settled down it will go more quickly from here on out. Once I've done that I'll update this table. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 20:03, 5 Ianuarii 2015 (UTC)

Update

Using the list, I've boosted some articles above the 8K and 16K boundaries today, gaining us points in the comparative tabulations; many more articles could easily be increased by the few hundred characters needed to cross those boundaries. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 02:25, 30 Iulii 2015 (UTC)

Spiffy! We're in 50th place in the standings, which get updated around the middle of each month. We're about 48th by number of missing articles; in this game, unlike the 1000 pages game, you get more points for the existence of an article than you do for moving it up to a bigger size category. For those who use the "weighted length" gadget, by the way, it uses the 1.1x language weight, and this competition rates Latin as 1.07x -- so, if you want a page to measure 8,000 language-weighted characters for this purpose, it needs to appear as 8,250 in the gadget (or in the 1000-pages-epitome table). A. Mahoney (disputatio) 15:38, 30 Iulii 2015 (UTC)

That's good to know. Thanks. I'm hoping to find some time for this over the weekend. A rank as low as fiftieth place is not to be borne!!! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:51, 30 Iulii 2015 (UTC)

Fifty out of 278, though, isn't so bad :-) When the last list came out, I calculated we'd need 6.58 points to move into 40th place, which is a lot: we probably won't get there in the next 2 weeks. Besides, it's a moving target -- all the other WPs above us are adding, too! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 16:59, 30 Iulii 2015 (UTC)

If I understand the formula right, I added 0.51 yesterday (of which 0.48 were in nine new articles) and about 0.16 the day before, and our Schulz-Hameln has recently been adding points too, so we should experience a nontrivial bump the next time the points are calculated, perhaps jumping a couple of places in the standings. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 11:09, 3 Augusti 2015 (UTC)

Marvellous! It's hard to rack up points because there are so many articles; adding one new page gives us merely 0.005 of a point, and moving a page up to the next size category gives us 0.0025. So 9 new small articles accounts for 0.045, not 0.45. Still, every bit helps! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 12:34, 4 Augusti 2015 (UTC)

Oh well. But what's a single order of magnitude among friends?! :) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:17, 4 Augusti 2015 (UTC)

Check it out: a big gain in the last week, though we still haven't racked up enough to catch Macedonian. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 20:04, 4 Augusti 2015 (UTC)

The Appalachians & 10K

Is Montes Appalachiani above 8000? It's going to be close! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 01:13, 12 Augusti 2015 (UTC)

Also, did I get Geologia above 16 000 today? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 01:52, 12 Augusti 2015 (UTC)

A nice little rise?

By my count, I added twenty-seven new myrias pages yesterday (and one just a few minutes ago), with a goodly number of them above the 8K cutoff, so that should give us a nice little rise. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:53, 1 Septembris 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the new pages from yesterday are included here: we've gained 0.3 points in the last month, which is huge on this list, where a new page is only worth 0.0002 of a point, and raising to a new category is only worth half that! We have about 2 weeks until the official scores are totaled again in Meta. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 20:16, 1 Septembris 2015 (UTC)

FYI: About twenty-seven new ones are scheduled to be contributed in four days. ;) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:30, 28 Octobris 2015 (UTC)

On the cusp

Thanks to the new update, we see that several articles are on the cusp of 8K and 16K. I've made a note of them so I can push them over the top when time becomes available. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:53, 22 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)

The easiest is Suleimanus I, which, at 15,985, is only fifteen characters short! If you have a moment, feel free to have a go at it! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:37, 22 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)

Got it! Every point counts. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 18:02, 22 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)

Negotium Novum

This article is being listed among the 1000 pages, but I added it only on 31 January and the list had already been full, so did it fortuitously replace an article? or is its presence here an error? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:51, 2 Februarii 2016 (UTC)

It's in the 10,000 pages, and it's been there for months. It's not in the 1000 pages. So I don't see any problems -- am I missing something? A. Mahoney (disputatio) 13:25, 3 Februarii 2016 (UTC)

OK, then. I've just added the sign of {{Myrias|Historia}} to it. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:52, 3 Februarii 2016 (UTC)

good, thanks; eventually I'll do another run of my bot routine that reconciles all those markers automatically. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 15:27, 3 Februarii 2016 (UTC)

Commutationes

Your notes say Anthropologia biologica and Anthropologia linguistica have been removed from the list in Meta, but they're still given here. Have whatever they've been replaced with in Meta been added to your lists? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:52, 20 Februarii 2016 (UTC)

It's the usual problem: our pages are not listed in Wikidata and therefore are invisible to the utilities. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 16:32, 22 Februarii 2016 (UTC)

Ten for 10K

Today I added ten articles from the 10K list, one from each of the ten basic groups of the Classificatio Decimalis Deweyana. Of the new articles, one = >16,000 characters and another = >8000. So that should be a useful boost for the computation that will occur in a few days. Anybody else want to have a go? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:52, 10 Aprilis 2016 (UTC)

Marvellous! Make sure they're in Wikidata, though, or the calculations in Meta won't find them. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 16:44, 11 Aprilis 2016 (UTC)

And now today I've done it again, adding one from each of the ten basic groups of the Classificatio Decimalis Deweyana. To get the names in line with Meta's 10K list, I had to rename and move one article to do so (Globus aerostaticus aeris calidi). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 19:47, 10 Maii 2016 (UTC)

Articles on the cusp

Now that you've redone the calculations, we see that Pluto is exactly *four* characters short of crossing the 8K barrier, so I've just now added enough material to put it over the top. Other articles on the cusp (characters short): Mamma (23), Senectus (112), Lingua Graeca (201), Psittaciformes (257). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:00, 9 Augusti 2016 (UTC)

Now I've done Mamma. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:10, 9 Augusti 2016 (UTC)

Nifty. You can also find the dozen or so "non stipula" pages marked here, if you're so inclined -- one of us will get to them eventually, of course. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 20:22, 9 Augusti 2016 (UTC)

And now Senectus. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:06, 10 Augusti 2016 (UTC)

And now Lingua Graeca. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:30, 11 Augusti 2016 (UTC)

Ubi

Ubi est Australia (continens)? Quam in indice inter commentarios confectos non reperimus. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 03:23, 14 Iunii 2017 (UTC)

Pagina nostra non in pagina illius Wikidata stat -- non igitur eam invenio. Necesse est semper paginas in Wikidata mittere! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 12:45, 15 Iunii 2017 (UTC)

For those who don't know how to do it, others will want to help out. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:49, 15 Iunii 2017 (UTC)

As you probably know, it's a lot easier than it used to be. Here's how. Go to the corresponding page in the language of your choice. In the sidebar you'll see a link to "Wikidata item" (it says "Res Wikidata" apud nos, and you'll know you have the right one if the target of the link is at www.wikidata.org). Click on that link and you'll see the Wikidata page. Scroll down to the Wikipedia section and click on "edit." You'll then see all the existing WP pages, each with a trash can (to delete the link), and the title (to modify). At the bottom of the list is a blank set-up. You put "la" into the left-hand field (where it says "wiki") -- make sure you get "la Latina" rather than anything else starting with "la" -- and the title into the right-hand field. Click "save" at the top of the Wikipedia list and you're done. It used to be much more baroque than this! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 15:47, 15 Iunii 2017 (UTC)

Macte!

Thanks for the update! This is what I've been waiting for, not least because it's showing the articles that we can easily amplify to gain a point in the comparative table. For almost a year now, I've been adding a new Myrias article a day, relentlessly raising our score, but it's great to see where more points can almost effortlessly be gotten out of previously existing articles! :) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:36, 22 Maii 2020 (UTC)

You have a funny definition of "effortless"! But now that I've got an editing tool again, and a bit of free time, I hope to get back to score-raising myself. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 22:44, 22 Maii 2020 (UTC)

Well, let's say "with minimum effort" then! For example,thanks to your new edition of this table, I just now noticed that Nathaniel Hawthorne was 84 bytes short of crossing the 8K threshold, so I added a short sentence from the first paragraph in the English definition, increasing his count by 129 bytes (adjusted to 141 by Meta's conversion formula) and gaining us a point. It didn't take five minutes! Of course, a tiny glitch in Meta's formula could still keep the count below 8K, so it'd be safer to add a bit more—but the fact remains that this table helps us see where "minimal effort" can improve our score! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:18, 23 Maii 2020 (UTC)

Also, looking at the table from the other direction, we see that Abrahamus Maslow is only 23 bytes over the threshold, and Nagarjuna is only 10 bytes over, so (again in case Meta's arithmetic doesn't quite agree with yours), these articles need defending with the addition of a few words or links, or maybe an image. I'll do that as time permits (and in the meantime, others are free to do so), but at the moment, the gobies (Gobiidae) are clamoring for attention. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:33, 23 Maii 2020 (UTC)

For another example of an article I've easily raised from just below 8000 bytes to just above it, see "Regnum Medium Aegypti‎." (One more point, woohoo!) It'd be great if you could recompute this table in a month or two, after I've had time to check all the articles shown to be on cusps like that. Several people seem to be aware of the Myrias list now and are adding articles from it, so our scores should improve handsomely over the next month or two. Excelsior! IacobusAmor (disputatio)

The program at Meta should be starting in the next day or so; I believe it takes a couple of days to run. So this is the time to make sure everything that's been added is properly linked in Wikidata. If it's not in Wikidta, it's invisible to the utilities. What I do here is reconcile the titles list against Wikidata (it's a semi-automated process which takes a couple of hours), make any obvious corrections in Wikidata (skipping the messy ones), and then update this table. I'll do it after the July run in Meta, and maybe next week as well if I'm feeling ambitious. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 12:42, 12 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

Great! That'll help a lot. ¶ Some days ago, I noticed another problematic one (maybe like the problem with "Snake") and shall bring it to your attention when I find it again. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:32, 12 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

Nudging the Myrias articles upward

See how useful your tables are! At the cost of only about an hour and a half this morning, I captured four more points—the equivalent of a new 16,000-word article!—just by nudging four articles above the 8000-byte cusp: "Bavaria," "Florentia," "Nova Aurelia," "Scotia." Give me a few more weeks at this, and then if you could rerun that particular set of tables to confirm these gains and show the way forward, that would be great! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:42, 14 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

Excellent! The new scores should be out in Meta some time in the coming week so we'll see where we are in the standings. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 17:38, 14 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

My daily contributions have been adding about 80 to 100 raw points each month, which (if I understand the formula right) raises our score by about 0.20 to 0.25. This month, other contributors have picked up the pace, and you yourself have added more than a handful of articles, so I'd expect a noticeable surge, maybe by as much as 0.30 to 0.40. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:37, 14 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

And again this morning, thanks to your tables, I easily added four more raw points by nudging four more articles over their next thresholds: "Impressionismus," "Jazz liberum," "Primum imperium Bulgaricum," "Serialismus." Woohoo! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:08, 15 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

And again thanks to your tables, I've added enough bytes to make sure two articles barely above the cusp (hanging on by their fingernails, so to speak, and possibly even placed below the pertinent threshold by quirky arithmetic at Meta) stay there: "Abrahamus Maslow" (above the threshold by 24 bytes) and "Nagarjuna" (above the threshold by only 10 bytes). Also, I've found enough bytes to push three more articles above thresholds and gain us three raw points: "Australia," "Historia Trium Regnorum," and "Pyrrhus Epirotes," Of course these gains, and maybe yesterday's, won't be counted until next month, but the points are in the bank, as it were. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:51, 16 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

And thanks yet again! Updating these tables every month or two is a great help, for the reason just given. For example, the newest update shows "Laniidae" to have had 8,015 bytes, so little more than 8,000 that the slightest quirk in the formula at Meta could nudge it below the cutoff and cost us a point. So I added 1,132, and now its place is secure. Similarly, "Insula Paschalis" has 8,026, and that can easily be defended. On the other side of the cutoff, "Lingua Anglo-Saxonica" has 7,947, and that can easily be boosted to gain us a point. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:02, 18 Iulii 2020 (UTC)

Of course, it's a moving target -- people do keep changing the Wikidata links. But every page helps! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 18:06, 19 Iulii 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, but without your tables, the process of discovering which items are on the cusp would be too impractical to contemplate! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:23, 19 Iulii 2020 (UTC)

big month!

June figures are out: m:List of Wikipedias by expanded sample of articles -- and we're up from 50th to 49th with 0.47 growth, which is wonderful! Next milestone -- 7,000 of the articles here? A. Mahoney (disputatio) 13:26, 16 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

Woohoo! Macte virtute! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:54, 16 Iunii 2020 (UTC)

For August, we're up to 48th, with 0.41 growth. Another big month! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 16:16, 16 Augusti 2020 (UTC)

If my arithmetic is right, I added 0.30 of those points, and it's good to see others getting involved. ¶ But while we're at it, here's a question about one article: is it possible to tell whether the program at Meta counted the Myrias article "Equus africanus asinus"? I created it five days ago by overwriting a redirect, but the bots haven't yet noticed it and added the appropriate interwiki links. Is it in some kind of wiki limbo? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:50, 16 Augusti 2020 (UTC).

If there's no Wikidata item, then the program didn't count it. Wikidata items are the only thing that matter. I wouldn't wait around for the clean-up bots: safer to update Wikidata yourself. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 17:10, 16 Augusti 2020 (UTC)

The last time I tried, it wouldn't let me in, so that's a lost cause. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 23:51, 16 Augusti 2020 (UTC)

Do you not have a global account? Go to "global account info" under preferences (right here in Vicipaedia) to find out; if you set that up, you can use the same username and password for all the Wikipedia family, and signing in to any one of them counts for all of them. I've found that really convenient. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 14:41, 17 Augusti 2020 (UTC)

Update?

Would an update be possible soon? (The last one was more than half a year ago.) One of Vicipaedia's big articles fell below the 30K cutoff last month, costing Vicipaedia 0.06 points—and without an update, finding & repairing it will be next to impossible. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:30, 11 Martii 2022 (UTC)