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Formula:Religiosi[recensere | fontem recensere]

Formula:Religiosi in pluribus paginis de monachis addita est, e.g. in Claudio Hummes, sed ordines, non homines tractat; itaque haec tantum in paginis de ordinibus religiosis mihi apta esse videtur, et delenda ex paginis de hominibus. Quid dicunt alii? Lesgles (disputatio) 02:15, 29 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Probe. Ergo placet. Laurentianus (disputatio) 06:27, 29 Septembris 2014 (UTC)
Mihi etiam placet. Andrew Dalby 08:31, 29 Septembris 2014 (UTC)
Assentior; nomen formulae autem aptum esse non videtur; melius esset "Ordines" (sicut in categoria "Ordines Ecclesiae Catholicae")--Utilo (disputatio) 12:47, 29 Septembris 2014 (UTC)
Factumst (UVbot adiuvante). --UV (disputatio) 20:15, 29 Septembris 2014 (UTC)
Macte! Lesgles (disputatio) 20:45, 30 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-40[recensere | fontem recensere]

09:44, 29 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Cur iam operatur hic Chobot?[recensere | fontem recensere]

Prohibetur a nonnullis vicis, envici non excluso. Vide hic. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 23:26, 30 Septembris 2014 (UTC)

Quas res malas hic fecit? Andrew Dalby 08:35, 1 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Novus mensis, nova pagina[recensere | fontem recensere]

Spero Franciscum Martinumque uná concorditer paginam primam habitaturos esse! :) Partem autem "Scin tu" renovandam esse animadverto. Lesgles (disputatio) 02:53, 1 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Si de rubrica "Scin tu?" curas daturus es, o amice, laetissime tibi confido ... :) Andrew Dalby 08:44, 1 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

catoeciis[recensere | fontem recensere]

Estne catoecia verbum latinae? Plurima passim video hic nam non in lexicis.--Jondel (disputatio) 12:44, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Verbum est graecum (sc. κατοικία) quod "domus" vel "colonia" vel etiam "cives peregrines" significat. (Est aliud verbum, κατοίκια, minime usitatum, quod "res domesticae" vel "supellex" significat.) Verbum latinum "catoecia" non invenio in corpore illius Packard Humanities Institute, sed, ut mihi videtur, saepissime scriptores verbis graecis utuntur -- quare ergo non hoc verbo quoque? A. Mahoney (disputatio) 12:55, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Inopinans eram graecam fuisse. Nomen scientificae commodum sit verbum Graeciae et cum egeat in sensu in latina(similes cellphone, tv, etc), in aliis uti dubius mihi est. Amplius hoc aliis discipuli latinae non inveni possint in lexiciis suorum. Sed ut dices, est mos uti verbis graecis. Confestim respondisti gratias tibi ago O Amahoney. --Jondel (disputatio) 13:31, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Nomen categoriae[recensere | fontem recensere]

Quid erit optimum nomen categoriae Anglice "African-American dramatists and playwrights" appellatae? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 13:23, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

"Categoria:Scriptores scaenici Afroamericani"? Lexico interno meo dramatist idem est atque playwright. Andrew Dalby 13:34, 3 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-41[recensere | fontem recensere]

06:10, 6 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

De "usore" illo[recensere | fontem recensere]

Disputationem Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 12#Usor, usuarius aut utens? modo perlegi. Fortasse fatuum est tam sero normam nostram mutare, sed quoniam "usor" satis visibilis in Vicipaedia est dubitatoribus purae nostrae Latinitatis, disputationem renovare commodum censui. Etsi usor bene formatum est, ne apud Du Cangium quidem reperitur. Utens et usuarius etiam dubii sunt, sed ut Iacobus in hac disputatione dixit, non necesse est ad conversionem "user" adhaerere. Is scriptor proposuit, ego addam particeps (cf. Russice участник), vel collator/conlator (cf. conlationes), vel etiam Vicipaedianus. Alii quid dicunt? Lesgles (disputatio) 17:18, 7 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

De mutatione quamvis sera assentior; num verbis "scriptor", "particeps", "collator" an "Vicipaedianus" utamur in dubio sum.--Utilo (disputatio) 19:24, 7 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Verbum q.e. "particeps" mihi placet. Quidam enim nullis verbis scriptis, vel verba vandalistica removentes, collaborant. Andrew Dalby 08:30, 8 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Iamdudum "usorem" illum haud facile fero. Equidem faveo nomini "collatoris", quia medium tenet inter et "socium" et "participem", praesertim cum significet eum active participere. Praeterea etiam "collatrices", ut dignae sunt, salutare poterimus. Laurentianus (disputatio) 11:32, 8 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Verbum "collator" amo et ego, sed non "Collator aut collatrix". Sunt multae hominum species: si dividere volumus, cur duas, neque plures, definiemus? Oportet verbum singulum ponere quod ad omnes aequaliter applicari potest. Andrew Dalby 11:54, 8 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Probe dixisti. Per me licet. Laurentianus (disputatio) 15:03, 8 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Mihi quoque placet illud "collator." A. Mahoney (disputatio) 19:30, 8 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
If, as it seems, everyone likes collator, the question now is how to change it. Perhaps UV or Amahoney know? Lesgles (disputatio) 03:36, 23 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Ego quoque consentio--Rafael Garcia.--114.45.124.251 12:08, 23 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Presumably we change it in TranslateWiki (a vast morass of complications, mea sententia), but there may be other places as well. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 12:18, 23 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Category Video games[recensere | fontem recensere]

Sorry for not writing in latin and for posting something I already reported, but since there were no answers... :) I just want to report that Categoria:Ludi televisifici and Categoria:Ludi computatrales, both with link at commons:Category:Video games, are redundant and should be merged. Thanks, bye. --Superchilum (disputatio) 13:42, 9 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Nomen "Ludi televisifici" mea sententia male formatum est quia "tele" in "televisifici" ad distantiam refert trans quam transmissio imaginum effecitur. Televisifici igitur ad televisionem ("television games") refert et haud ad ludos qui in computatris luduntur! Terminus Latinus qui proprie ad "video" spectat est "visificus". Ego "Ludi visifici". Meae duae centesimae!--Rafael Garcia--114.45.124.251 12:21, 23 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions Rafael. I feel you're over-latinizing it. Remember, the devices work through microchips which are computers. --Jondel (disputatio) 19:37, 23 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

So what would you suggest, Jondel? Are the two categories to be combined? What name would be best? Andrew Dalby 15:32, 24 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Et quoque "Ludi televisifici" ad "television plays" melius refert! Non solum ad "television games": "price is right", "family feud", "tv reality games", et "certamen mundiale pediludii televisione transmissum"--114.45.124.251 03:06, 25 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Saludos Rafael, que tal? Porque no escribe como antes ?Que sepa que hay 'console games' y es mejor a mi por el 'visificus'. Tambien como dicho abajo, hay spectaculum lusorium por el television games. Que opina usted?--Jondel (disputatio) 01:08, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

To Andrew:I would like to suggest that they don't need to be combined in Latin since appropriate terms are are available in the dictionaries, well, I tend to to favor Traupman as you know(Cassell's is ok, if the terms are available). I think our links shouldn't be considered redundant. I think the English wiki should consider separating TV video games, and arcade games and house them under the category of console games if already done.I wish I participated in earlier debates. I know a lot of discussions were already conducted. I will try to go over the computer game issues. There may be errors with my suggestions but I will focus on the video game issues and see if I can make the appropriate links as well as come up with a separate article for game shows.--Jondel (disputatio) 01:08, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

For game shows,Spectaculum lusorium (Traupman ), thus, Spectaculum lusorium televisicorum. I see Rafael's point with visificus because it derives from Televisicus which can be found in Traupman. Game shows are in essence 'shows' with a non participating audience and are broadcast on high frequecy radio waves.--Jondel (disputatio) 01:08, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

For tv games, you only need to use the monitor, however, you connect to the antenna plug, meaning you still need to translate to longdistance radiowave frequency and modulation. Ludus televisificus(and Categoria:Ludi televisifici, no change) should really be ok. However if there would be there may be confusion and debates again with 'game shows' , then perhaps we should insert an adjective corresponding to computer(ordinatralis?). --Jondel (disputatio) 01:08, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

The English should distinguish their links to the video games.There is confusion with 'video games' because these correspond to arcade games and tv video games. --Jondel (disputatio) 01:08, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Rafel's suggestion(visificus) for me best corresponds to console game. --Jondel (disputatio) 01:08, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Which games in the category "Ludi televisifici" actually correspond to a "TV video game"?--59.115.162.121 16
33, 3 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

Imago mensis: retractactio descriptionis[recensere | fontem recensere]

Ubi et quomodo descriptio imaginis mensis fieri potest?--Utilo (disputatio) 20:51, 9 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

In pagina Vicipaedia:Imago mensis/Octobris 2014. Lesgles (disputatio) 21:45, 9 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Gratias tibi ago!--Utilo (disputatio) 16:56, 10 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

"Per thematae" etc.[recensere | fontem recensere]

In hac pagina, quid significant locutiones "Per Thematae," "Per Forma," et aliae? Nonne petit praepositio per casum accusativum? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 17:50, 10 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Certe tota pagina corrigenda est! Lesgles (disputatio) 18:15, 10 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-42[recensere | fontem recensere]

08:53, 13 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #8—2014[recensere | fontem recensere]

09:49, 13 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

What's a stub?[recensere | fontem recensere]

How many characters does a short text need before it becomes unmarked as a stipula, and thus is promoted from the status of a stub to the status of an article? That is: what's the upper limit of a stipula? I'd suggest 2000 characters on average, or even 1750, but consensus may be lacking. A practical reason for concern over this question is that stubs reduce a wiki's so-called depth—a concept that Meta uses as a measure of quality: the greater the ratio of stubs to articles, the lower the quality of the enterprise. Compared with other wikis of about the same size, Vicipaedia scores unexpectedly low. This state of affairs must partly be due to thousands of stipula-marked articles produced by our European hamlet-loving contributors. For example: Cusinum, from which I've recently removed the stipula mark because the text fills up a whole screen-page and therefore doesn't (subjectively) look like a stub on my screen. The way the quality-assessing game is played forces participants to be cautious about calling texts stubs. Every new article marked as a stub may reduce the supposed quality of the enterprise as a whole. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:57, 15 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Instead of an absolute number, perhaps some number on a sliding scale relating to the "ideal" size of a given topic would be more appropriate, but although we may have a (subjective) sense of these proportions, finding objective criteria might be impossible. For example, a 2000-character article on WWII would be woefully inadequate (we'd all surely agree), and such a text should indeed be marked as a stub, as might a 3000-character or even a 4000-character article on that topic, whereas the mere 751.3 characters of Caychax—a settlement consisting of twelve people!—might be more than anyone, except perhaps the residents of the locality, and their friends and relatives, would ever want to know, and so maybe that text (and numerous others not unlike it) should be considered an article, rather than a stub. Is there any obective way to make such distinctions? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:57, 15 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Actually, Meta does not look at the "stub" formula. The depth calculation doesn't even look at the actual sizes of articles, but at the number of edits and the number of support pages (talk pages, pages in the Vicipaedia namespace, and so on). Marking something as a stipula tells us, and our readers, that we don't think the article is finished. You are quite right that the length of the article depends on the topic -- our page Unus negativus is pretty short, but at least one competent observer thinks it says everything it needs to (probably correctly: the pages in other languages about -1 seem over-long). If you want to improve the depth number, the most useful thing to do is to add pages outside the main namespace (that is, talk pages and so on). If we add 5900 of those, we will increase our depth by 1. The next most useful thing to do is to edit existing pages (in any namespace); 278,321 more edits will increase our depth by 1. The shortness of the articles about towns in France does not affect any of the obvious measures in use at Meta. The number of such articles has helped move us to the "more than 100,000 pages" category, which is A Good Thing. It is not true that marking something as a stub hurts us in any way. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 20:25, 15 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
This page sez:
  • The "Depth" column (Edits/Articles × Non-Articles/Articles × [1−Stub-ratio]) is a rough indicator of a Wikipedia’s quality, showing how frequently its articles are updated. It does not refer to academic quality.
If the stub-ratio isn't the ratio of the number of stubs to the number of articles, what is it? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:47, 15 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Oh, wait! This page sez "The stub ratio is (1-(Articles/Total))." But how can that be? How can a stub ratio be anything but a numerical comparison of stubs and something other than stubs? Moreover, that the proportion of stubs might assist in the estimation of quality is a reasonable proposition. A wiki consisting only of incomplete articles (stubs) will probably exhibit lower quality than a wiki consisting only of complete articles, and the proportions in between those extremes could offer a quality-defining continuum. ¶ But the game has to be played according to the rules, and given the rules stated above, perhaps the creation of every new article should be followed immediately by the creation of a disputation page for it. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 02:01, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
The "stub ratio" in the description on the List of Wikipedias page is a red herring: it's not a very good name for what's actually being counted. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 13:54, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Well, it certainly led me astray! But in the light of the discussion above, it's not just a red herring: it's a false statement. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:42, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
No one claims that "depth" is a measure of the quality of the articles; it is a measure of "Wikipedian quality," which means the amount of collaboration going on. The measure has been rather contentious over the years (as you'll see if you look around at the talk pages in Meta). There is also some argument (in the talk page for the List of Wikipedias, most recently) about "articles created by bots." These are generally short and similar one to another -- like our own asteroid articles. Some smaller languages have more of those than of human-created articles -- as we did, too, long ago. This is the only place where I'm aware of concern about really small articles, and it doesn't apply to us because we are marking them as "stubs" or "not finished," and fleshing them out as appropriate over time. We don't have a problem here.
Now, the question "what's a stub?" certainly is worth discussion -- but for our own purposes, not for competition with the rest of the Wikipedias. And I entirely agree that it's going to depend on the article: sometimes 2,000 characters is a lot, sometimes it's pathetic. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 13:54, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
In some cases — can't give examples right now — it seems to me that stub formulas are being used for decorative purposes. Or what's the reason for some articles having double stub formulas? One answer may be: because our world of stubs is subcategorised into subject specific classes. Though they do have nice little pictures prefixed to them, I don't find the stubs particularly informative. But perhaps the fault is in me, not in the idea of stubs. :-) Neander (disputatio) 15:08, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
[Edit-conflict: duo textus eodem tempore scripti.]
Let's assume that Cassius was wrong, and the fault is indeed in our stars! ¶ Since one purpose of the stub-marking formula is to generate lists of stubs sorted by topic so that contributors interested in a given topic can find stubs to enlarge, multiple stubs should be welcome, no? For example, stubs marked as biographies cry out to have at least a second stub-marking formula, so as to put the article in a list concerning the topic for which the person is famous. See the stub Mitt Romney: at the moment, it's marked merely with a bio-stipula, but contributors looking for articles about politics won't find it, as it's not in the list generated by {{polit-stipula}}. For biographies of scientists, someone created {{scien-bio-stipula}}, but maybe keeping the implied formulas separate would have been a better idea, as some potential contributors might be interested in science but not in biography. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:38, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
I suppose one reason for these stub categories is to allow an editor interested in, say, religion, to focus on improving the list at Specialis:Nexus_ad_paginam/Formula:Reli-stipula. But I don't think anyone is really working that way right now. Lesgles (disputatio) 16:17, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Someone you know has done so. ;) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:48, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
I take it back then! :) Lesgles (disputatio) 17:22, 16 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

I have wondered before about the stub categories. My view is that they are not much use honestly, and I would not myself spend time on elaborating them, because, since 95 per cent of our articles are crying out for expansion and improvement, anyone wanting to do this might as well use the ordinary categories directly. These are more effective at bringing related articles into a handy list than the stub categories can ever be. But, for those who find them useful, there they are!

As for What is a stub? I generally remove the stipula tag or tags when an article that I encounter has a good paragraph of real Latin text, defining the topic and placing it in context , plus really useful references and links, plus a picture if the topic can be illustrated. I think at that point the article is launched, but of course, like all others, it is still longing for improvement. Andrew Dalby 11:06, 17 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Looking for a latinist[recensere | fontem recensere]

Hello, dear latinists!

As you can guess by the language I am using, my level in latin is not sufficient to write and communicate with it. This is the reason I need someone who already has a good level in latin (and the odds are, if you are a regular here, your latin level must be pretty good). Being a scholar specialized in eighteenth century philosophy, I am working on an electronic edition of a text, actually a french translation of an english book that has been published in 1713. The book contains numerous quotations, many of them in latin. I checked various editions of the book while establishing the text to make sure the quotations on the electronic edition are accurate, but my latin is not sufficient to make me sure each quotation is fine, especially in the cases where I couldn't find any recent edition of the quoted textes. There is also a problem with the early eighteenth century writing of the "s" that look like "f" and are mistaken for "f"'s by optical character recognition (OCR) programs.

If someone here is curious enough to check this, he will stumble on many interesting (and sometimes unorthodox) quotations about Christianity and contribute to the progress of knowledge. The book is Anthony Collins' Discourse on Freethinking. It made quite a buzz when it went public.

Of course, being a french speaker might help but it is not mandatory. What matters here is a bunch of latin quotations.

Yours, --Katanga (disputatio) 03:46, 18 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Hi Katanga, on Google Books, where they do have a digital copy of an English edition, it looks quite interesting. There are also some seven Greek passages. I would like to assist your efforts at least with the Latin parts. Polytonic Greek is sometimes hard to convert into Unicode, but I guess, since you are into digitizing, you might find a way. I don't know how to do, but it is possible to send me an email through Wikispace. Or just leave a note, how to get in touch. (I know, privacy is a big deal here, which I also appreciate). Regards, Laurentianus (disputatio) 18:18, 18 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Formula:Cite book[recensere | fontem recensere]

I just noticed at Cairus (see the bibliography) that this citation formula is messing up the page layout. It seems to be only this one formula, and not the others in the same family. Can anyone see what is wrong? Andrew Dalby 13:30, 20 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

It seems to have something to do with the presence of an ISBN in the book entry: if you take that out, the extra grey box disappears. More if I get a chance to poke at it before my next meeting (or if this inspires anyone else, go right ahead!). A. Mahoney (disputatio) 17:48, 20 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-43[recensere | fontem recensere]

13:47, 20 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

In progressu[recensere | fontem recensere]

Fere 400 paginae formulam ferunt "in progressu", quarum multae pluribus annis non recensae sunt. Nobis (mihi non in postremis) fortasse oportet indicem aspicere et formulam removere vel paginam perficere. Lesgles (disputatio) 19:14, 23 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Bonum consilium; libenter adiuvo. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 19:41, 23 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Ego quoque.
Commentationes fere 100/150 ex illa serie manent, quam Helveticus noster incepit, de gubernatoribus civitatum CFA. Helveticus his diebus non laborat apud nos, sed fortasse reveniet. An alius quis opus perficere velit? Andrew Dalby 15:57, 24 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Hanc saltem commentationem auxi. Neander (disputatio) 20:49, 24 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Etiam haec iam rescripta est.--Utilo (disputatio) 22:48, 24 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

De litteris pinguibus[recensere | fontem recensere]

Collator 71.163.190.104 Dissolutionem Unionis Sovieticae non stipulam designavit, recte secundum hanc formulam, quia litteras pingues non habebat, sed disputationem hic incipere volui, quoniam enchiridion Anglicum huic regulae praebet exceptionem: "If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it." Nunc Anglicam Vicipaediam sequi non cogimur, sed rescriptura manifesta, ut in aliquis aliis commentatibus reperitur, e.g. "Dissolutio Unionis Sovieticae fuit dissolutio Unionis Sovieticae, quae..." mihi supervacanea videtur. Alii quid dicunt? Lesgles (disputatio) 20:38, 25 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Amice, multae sunt rationes quibus pellem feli detrahere possumus! Vide: "The dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was a political process which culminated on 26 December 1991, when, by declaration no. 142-H of the Soviet of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union, the USSR ceased to exist." IacobusAmor (disputatio) 02:35, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Iam exstant apud nos commentationes nonnullae quarum tituli in primis sententiis verbatim non repetuntur. Mea mente talis regula saepissime utilis est, rarius molesta. Quando molesta est, nonne propheta "Rule 1: ignore all rules" proclamavit?
Eádem (meá) mente, formula "Non stipula" nobis a caelo datur ad paginas usque hodie inutiles ad utilitatem futuram aut deletionem cogere. Pagina autem "Dissolutio Unionis Sovieticae" iam utilis erat: ergo ille anonymus, cui prima sententia displicebat, potius rescribere debebat. Andrew Dalby 09:47, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)
Hoc in casu saltem Alexander primas sententias bene rescripsit. Lesgles (disputatio) 22:21, 26 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Meta RfCs on two new global groups[recensere | fontem recensere]

Hello all,

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Tech News: 2014-44[recensere | fontem recensere]

05:20, 27 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses[recensere | fontem recensere]

Hello, Dear wikipedians. I invite you to edit and improve this article and to add information about your and other country.--Kaiyr (disputatio) 12:23, 31 Octobris 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-45[recensere | fontem recensere]

17:28, 3 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Now Available (November 2014)[recensere | fontem recensere]

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Wikisource Latin textbook[recensere | fontem recensere]

There's a scanned copy of a Latin grammar book at Wikisource: s:en:Index:The New Latin Primer (Postgate).djvu It needs to be proofread and formatted. It's possible that someone who reads Latin would find that easy to do. WhatamIdoing (disputatio) 00:04, 9 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

The use of "ut"[recensere | fontem recensere]

Salvete! I’d like to know if this is good Latin (it’s for an article I’m planning about the daisy, Bellis perennis):

Bellis a Chaucer est canta, ut signum feminae fortitudinis et amatoriae fidei.

It’s supposed to mean, “The daisy was sung by Chaucer, as a symbol of female bravery and loyalty of love.” The pertinence of ut here is my chief hesitation. Casquilho (disputatio) 21:30, 9 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

Mea quidem sentantia nihil est, quod te impediat, quominus ita dicas. Sin autem malis, etiam omittas licet. Equidem vero praeferam et canitur pro est canta et muliebris loco feminae. Vale. Laurentianus (disputatio) 09:13, 10 Novembris 2014 (UTC)
Si Latinitati classicae favemus (ut debemus), suadeo hanc respicias differentiam tenuem:
* Bellis a Chaucer canitur, ut signum ('as if it were a symbol') femineae fortitudinis et amatoriae fidei.
* Bellis a Chaucer canitur, signum ('as a symbol') femineae fortitudinis et amatoriae fidei.
Id est, attributio praedicativa sine ut (= 'as'). Utrum dicere vis? Neander (disputatio) 17:12, 10 Novembris 2014 (UTC)
Fortasse hoc iam scis, Casquilho: nomen apud Chaucer est dayesye, quod nomen ille modo etymologico interpretat, That wel by reson men hit calle may / The dayesye or elles the ye of day, / The emperice and flour of floures alle, Latine scilicet "quam bona ratione hominibus appellare licet dayesye sive aliter "diei oculum", imperatricem et florem florum omnium." (Galfridus Chaucer, The Legend of Good Women 183-185) Andrew Dalby 09:28, 11 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

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Habemusne, o sodales, in vicipedia nostra paginam nomina generum singulorum litteraturae epicae continentem? E. g. short story/Kurzgeschichte/?, novella/Novelle/?, novel/Roman/? et alia. Gratias agens Bavarese (disputatio) 16:58, 21 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

Categoria:Genera litterarum fortasse tibi erit utilis. Iam habemus commentationes de diegemate (short story) et mythistoria (novel), sed hae conversiones etiam disputari possunt. Pro novella, fortasse mythistoria brevis? Lesgles (disputatio) 19:03, 21 Novembris 2014 (UTC)
Vocabulum quidem mythistoria (pro en:novel) dubium videtur. Ubi in mythistoriis recentioribus est mythologia? Vide recognitionem libri de Thucydide mythistorico hic. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 20:07, 21 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

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Quid vultis videre in pagina prima nostra, anno ineunte? Disputemus hic! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 16:48, 25 Novembris 2014 (UTC)

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reditus in Vicipaediam[recensere | fontem recensere]

Salvete amici! Si quis me diu tacuisse vel in Vicipaedia nihil scripsisse animadverterit sciat me multis in negotiis vehementer occupatum fuisse. Nunc autem, quod mihi plus otii est, redii voluntate, ut Vicipaediae Latinae iterum utilis essem.--Utilo (disputatio) 18:03, 9 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

Gaudio! --UV (disputatio) 21:00, 9 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
Bene redisti, Utilo! Lesgles (disputatio) 21:04, 9 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

"-ne" in question sentences[recensere | fontem recensere]

Sorry for not writing in Latin. I have only studied it in school decades ago and my knowledge isn't good enough to write fluently, although I think I can read Latin to a passable degree. On to my question. For my entire life, I have thought that "-ne" in Latin was used exactly like "-ko/-kö" in my native Finnish, i.e. (Look! There's Latin!) to signify that the sentence is a yes/no question, and the word the suffix is attached to is the one being asked about. But the English Wikipedia Language Reference Desk told me it isn't required, including it only signifies "isn't it so?". This is the first time I have heard of such a thing. I have seen "-ne" used quite a lot in Latin, in very much neutral questions with no hint of "isn't it so?". What is the situation here? You can answer both in English and in very basic Latin. JIP (disputatio) 00:28, 10 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

Profecto illud ne nihil significat nisi quod phrasis quaedam quaestio est. De more supponitur primo verbo (vel secundo, si primum locum praepositio quaedam teneat), nisi verbo primo per se vis quaestionis insit (velut cur, ubi, quis).
Quaestiones igitur disjunctivae potissimum per utrum ineuntur (demanding a decision between two given answers). Si insinuatam velis affirmationem, scribas nōnne (i.e. not?), sin autem negationem, num.
Num desiderio tuo satisfeci? :-) Laurentianus (disputatio) 00:57, 10 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
It's "always appended to the emphatic word, and generally serves to denote a question, without indicating the expectation of the speaker."—Gildersleeve, #454. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 04:12, 10 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
Following Iacobus, just as a detail, "-ne" can therefore be attached to "non" if "non" is the emphatic word. That forms the question-word "nonne", which is indeed used to mean "isn't that so?" "surely yes?" (see Laurentianus above). I haven't read the discussion at the reference desk, but possibly that's what they were getting at. Speaking generally, all of us agree, -ne is a neutral question particle, expecting either yes or no as answer. Andrew Dalby 09:42, 10 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
The discussion in the second part of en:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Latin question was more about the difference between questions with ne and questions with no interrogative word at all: "Videsne?" vs. "Vides?" I threw in a quote from Gildersleeve, but anyone who knows more should jump in. Lesgles (disputatio) 19:48, 10 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

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Lentius iam paginas novas creamus, Helvetico requiescente. Hodie autem paginam no. 112 000 creavit Usor:Lesgles de piscibus tam pulchris quam gustabilibus. Gaudeamus! Andrew Dalby 21:42, 10 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

Nunc esurio! Lesgles (disputatio) 22:05, 10 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

"In progressu" redux[recensere | fontem recensere]

Paginarum "in progressu" designatarum nunc sunt minus quam centum. Conatus sum paginas nuper mutatas non tangere, sed si formulam removi ex pagina in qua laborabas, quaeso ut iterum eas addas. Lesgles (disputatio) 16:42, 12 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

Laborem perutilem perfecisti! Andrew Dalby 19:31, 12 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

English-language introduction[recensere | fontem recensere]

Hi, I think it would be useful to have an English-language introduction to the Latin Wikipedia project, explaining such things as what era and style the language reflects, how modern concepts for which no Latin words could have existed are handled, what kind of people nowadays have sufficient Latin knowledge to understand and contribute (are they all classical scholars?), and any other information that may be of interest to casual non-Latin-speaking visitors. Does such a page exist anywhere? I couldn't find it, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. The project does seem very cool by the way. I love how I can read some phrases just by matching to English words or components/roots of English words! 86.152.160.175 14:57, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

Lege hic. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:01, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointer, Iacobe. That article certainly answers some questions. It strikes me that one whole area was omitted from it (the many cases where something has a modern official Latin name) so I have added a bit about that. If anyone cares to have a look at my latest edit over there and improve it, please do! Andrew Dalby 16:59, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
I have made a similar edit at Vicipaedia:De nominibus propriis and Vicipaedia:De nominibus propriis/en. Again, please check and correct my work, anyone who wishes. Andrew Dalby 17:45, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. That is the kind of thing I was looking for. Would it be worth linking to this from the Vicipaedia main page, under the title "English-language introduction to Latin Wikipedia" or similar? 86.152.160.175 18:10, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
On the right side of the main page, under "Participatio", there are links to a list of helpful pages in [Vicipaedia:Ops nexusque usoribus novis/en English], German, Spanish, Norwegian, and Romanian (I think the only reason for that peculiar collection of languages was that people were motivated to do those translations). We can think about how to improve those pages and make the links to them more prominent, but we should be careful, though, not to give too much priority to English, since we have users who speak many different languages, and we don't want to exclude them. Lesgles (disputatio) 18:42, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi, while I'm here, I have a couple of other questions just for personal interest. First is how easily would someone from ancient Rome, let's say in the first century BC for the sake of argument, be able to read Latin Wikipedia? Would it look like completely natural language to them? (I mean this to be a question about language, not a speculation about what people from that era would make computers, or quantum mechanics, or some other modern invention or discovery.) Second question is how people nowadays become proficient enough in Latin to read and write these articles. What sort of background do contributors here typically have? 86.152.160.175 20:36, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
To try to answer the first question: Latin has been an international language for 2000 years. Probably most people who have written it during that time have tried, in their own ways, to write classical Latin -- that has always been the standard -- but about a whole range of new topics. That includes us! So, if we succeed, yes, Cicero and Caesar would be able to read us, but (as you realise) would be often puzzled (a) by the subjects we deal with (b) by the vocabulary, some of which comes from medieval, renaissance and modern scientific Latin (c) by the dating systems and the measurements, which were introduced into Latin long after their time.
I don't honestly know if there's a typical Vicipaedian. I think the greatest and most visionary achievement of Jimmy Wales is the multilingual encyclopedia. Lots of Wikipedians work in more than one language. Well, there's more than one way to be multilingual, but, in the particular case of Latin, I guess it most often comes about by studying Latin at school or university -- that's what I did :) Andrew Dalby 21:34, 14 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
I think a contemporary of Cicero would be able to read Vicipaedia easily, though as Andrew says this hypothetical Roman would be surprised by the maps of the world, by articles about football, by all the new languages we talk about and link to, and so on. Pliny the Elder would think this was absolutely heavenly! There have been stories about ancient Romans brought to life in the modern world -- a favorite is Nicodemus Frischlin's play Julius Redivivus, in which Caesar and Cicero get to visit 16th-century Germany. As for where contributors come from, I learned Latin in school and am now a professor of classics; I often ask my own students to contribute to Vicipaedia, when they can write well enough, and they've written in pages from Ilias to Superbia et Odium. I have an article about Vicipaedia coming out in the spring in Classical Outlook, the journal of the American Classical League, that answers basic questions about what we're doing here; check your nearest university library in a few months! A. Mahoney (disputatio) 19:38, 15 Decembris 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies and good luck with the project. 31.49.120.248 20:58, 16 Decembris 2014 (UTC)

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