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Vide etiam disputationes annorum 2006, 2007 et 2008.


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Your deletion of the former redirect Petronius was maybe a bit hasty. The really famous Petronius, whom (based on very new information) Schulz-Hameln had recently moved to Publius Petronius Niger, suddenly disappeared from sight -- I felt sure we had a good article about him, but I had to go through the deletion log to find out where it was. There were quite a few links to him! I have emended some of them now. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:24, 4 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry! I noticed that Petronius redirected to one Petronius, while we had articles about more than one, so I replaced the redirect with a disambiguation but failed to correct the links. Shame on me … --UV 13:31, 4 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, of course, I quite see how it happened.
It strikes me that if there was a way of highlighting circular links (e.g. the link on the page that redirected to Petronius, and therefore became circular when you moved the page) you would probably have noticed the problem and corrected it. Is there a gadget that would do that? I know circular links normally appear bolded, but that doesn't distinguish them from intentionally bolded text. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:07, 4 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First part of an answer:
  • Circular links that directly point back to the same page normally appear bolded (e. g. page "A" contains a link to "A"). If you wish to change that formatting, you can add e. g.
    strong.selflink { background-color:red; }
    /* exclude user talk pages, because many signatures contain a link to the user's talk page */
    body.ns-3 strong.selflink { background-color:transparent; }
    to your Special:Mypage/monobook.css (assuming that you are using the default monobook skin, otherwise replace "monobook" by the name of the skin that you are using). This is, however, not true for circular links that point back indirectly, via a redirect (e. g. page "A" contains a link to "B", where "B" is a redirect to "A"): These links do not normally appear bolded and cannot be styled with the above CSS code.
  • If you wish to highlight all redirects (including redirects back to the original page), that is easy as well:
    a.mw-redirect { background-color:lime; }
Of course this functionality could be packed into a gadget, but that is also quite easy to add to a user's Special:Mypage/monobook.css file.
Still thinking about how one could highlight circular links that point back indirectly, via a redirect … --UV 15:37, 4 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Second and final part: I have expanded the gadget to highlight circular links that point back indirectly, via a redirect. You may need to force-refresh a page and/or clear your browser cache before you see the effect. You will notice this for instance on the Vicipaedia:Taberna in the "Compendium" box in the top right. If you dislike the red colour, this can be customized e. g. as follows:
.redirtoself-link-inner { background-color:silver; }
.redirtoself-link-sup   { background-color:silver; }
This change to the gadget only affects indirect self-links (via a redirect), not the direct self-link case described above, so if you would like these cases to be highlighted as well, then you need to keep
strong.selflink { background-color:red; }
/* exclude user talk pages, because many signatures contain a link to the user's talk page */
body.ns-3 strong.selflink { background-color:transparent; }
in your monobook.css. Hope you like it! --UV 20:36, 4 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! Thank you, UV! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:31, 4 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Formula PND

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thank you very much. You have been very kind. Ciao--Massimo Macconi 07:02, 5 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

de rien! --UV 22:36, 5 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indice Interretiale Pellicularum

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Have you done the new formula? thank you very much--Massimo Macconi 22:59, 10 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

yes, I have, you are most welcome! If I have some time in the next days or weeks, I plan to create {{Imdb title}} as well. Greetings, --UV 23:03, 10 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
factumst! --UV 23:43, 11 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume I just have to revoke bot status here, and they will still work globally, right? That's what I've done. Let me know if there are any more. Adam Episcopus 02:27, 19 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Works great, thank you!
When I have some time, I plan to check the remaining bots – I suppose there are some long-inactive bots among them, possibly it would be a good idea to remove their bot status as well, to be on the safe side. --UV 23:52, 19 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, sorry, I missed the ones on the 23rd. I've de-flagged those and added Multichill and LucienBOT. Adam Episcopus 02:11, 11 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, thanks a lot! --UV 09:04, 11 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Year categories

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Could you glance at Vicipaedia:Taberna#Categories for dates and authors of botanical/zoological descriptions -- in my last comment, in a new sub-section, I raise the question of year categories and I wonder if you have some thoughts on this. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:53, 31 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replied there. --UV 18:37, 31 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Translatio hebdomadis

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Symbolam Volksempfänger incohavi sed nescio, quomodo nexum in pagina prima ponam. --Neander 14:36, 5 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Salvete, Neander et UV. Ut scias in futurm, formula nostra est {{translatio hebdomadis}}. Ego etiam addidi symbolam tuam.--Ioscius (disp) 15:15, 5 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ave, et gratias.

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Ego observatio qui tu fascis auxiliatus me in Porta:Mexicum, et sum reapse gratus tecum. Omnis tuus contributionis sum beatus semper. scripsit Usor:Nachtschatten101

No problem! --UV 21:34, 9 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

novam paginam incipere

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Volo novam paginam incipere, sed nescio quomodo possim id facere. Gratias tibi agere anticipo.--Imtoo 16:28, 12 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Iam didici novas paginas creare. Non inveniebam situm nexus ad creandam novam paginam. Excuso.--Imtoo 22:12, 12 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Vide Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 3#New articles - Novae res, Vicipaedia:Nova pagina et ca:Ajuda:Com iniciar una pàgina (Catalanice). Vale! --UV 22:37, 12 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

De imaginibus quaero

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Salve. Usor recentissimus sum, et nondum valde peritus. Creavi antea paginam de videoludo "Blood Omen 2", et volebam imagines a ludo captas addere ad melius explicandum ludum ipsum. Sed nescio si id fieri potest an ius de Eidos Interactive qui videoludum fecit me vetat. Xaverius mihi dixit te quaerere de imaginibus. Et generaliter, quae vincula normaeque sunt ad imagines immittendas?

Praeterea, mihi grata sunt imaginariae litterae, qua de causa volebam aliquid addere paginae "mithistoria somnialis" in categoria "litterae", qua nondum scripta est. Sed stat hic titulus pro quo in Anglice "fantasy" dictum est? Si ita, eam scribere possum, quia gratissimum mihi est illud genus litterarum. Spero te mihi responsum dare brevi tempore. Vale! Poecus 18:59, 22 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Salve, Poece! Non licet imagines a ludo captas addere, quia hae imagines iure auctoris (©) protectae sunt. Vide (Italice)
Generaliter, vicipaedia est libera encyclopaedia, ergo non licet imagines adhibere quae non sunt liberae, sicut imagines iure auctoris (©) protectae et non ab auctore sub permissionem liberam divulgatae. Vide etiam definitionem operum culturalium liberorum (Italice).
De "fantasy", vide Litterae phantasticae et Categoria:Litterae phantasticae. Vale! --UV 20:41, 22 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
De rebus futuris ("science fiction"), vide Categoria:Litterae rerum futurarum. --UV 20:46, 22 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed

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... this: {{Ling|Lingua Anglica{{!}}Anglice}}. Does doing it this way reduce demand on the servers? or is there another reason I can't guess? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:30, 22 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No real reason at all, I just try to avoid linking to a redirect page when I in fact "mean" the redirected-to page. But, as I said, there is no compelling reason at all against just using {{Ling|Anglice}}. Greetings, --UV 21:36, 22 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted you!

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... at Abecedarium Graecum‎. I think you will see why. The images are used in a table; the other columns in the table provide all the description that's needed. Hope that's OK. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:24, 28 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the page once again – is that ok? Image descriptions help visually impaired people to find out what an image is about and whether it is worth further examination. Greetings, --UV 16:35, 28 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see! I never thought of that. Sorry. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:49, 28 Februarii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Londini ~ Londinii

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UV, in Mantra, mutasti Londini ad Londinii. While the latter form looks more regular, Bradley's Arnold #213 specifically says the locative is the former: "Londini*, at London." (We shouldn't be surprised, though, if both forms are attested in Latin published in London.) *You'll have to imagine this "i" to be long, as you've taken away my ability to add macrons! IacobusAmor 22:27, 1 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing this out! I was not aware of this special locative form.
shame on me, should have remembered Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 9#Londinii aut Londini? --UV 22:20, 2 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry for the problems with the edittools box – as I wrote in the taberna a short while ago, have you tried the following for getting the edittools box back?
Please open any editing page (e. g. open this section of my user talk page for editing) and try the following:
  1. press Ctrl+F5 or
  2. hold down Ctrl and click on Reload or
  3. hold down Shift and click on Reload or
  4. clear your browser cache.
Greetings, --UV 22:34, 1 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The second instruction worked, but now the contents of the character sets have changed. The paragraph sign, for example, has moved to another character set, and the exotic letters are now in a new order within their set (and I think there are fewer of them), and so on. IacobusAmor 23:53, 1 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know that the character sets have changed a bit (I copied them over from de.wikipedia and just applied a few changes that made sense to me). I tried to group all "most used" characters and wiki markup elements in the default "Norma" group. Would you prefer if the paragraph sign was in a different group?
Here are the old exotic letters, you are right that the old list contained more characters:
Ā ā Ē ē Ī ī Ō ō Ū ū Ȳ ȳ   Ă ă Ĕ ĕ Ĭ ĭ Ŏ ŏ Ŭ ŭ   Æ æ Œ œ   Á á Ć ć É é Í í Ĺ ĺ Ń ń Ó ó Ŕ ŕ Ś ś Ú ú Ý ý Ź ź   À à È è Ì ì Ò ò Ù ù    â Ĉ ĉ Ê ê Ĝ ĝ Ĥ ĥ Î î Ĵ ĵ Ô ô Ŝ ŝ Û û Ŵ ŵ Ŷ ŷ   Ä ä Ë ë Ï ï Ö ö Ü ü Ÿ ÿ   ß   à ã Ẽ ẽ Ĩ ĩ Ñ ñ Õ õ Ũ ũ Ỹ ỹ   Ç ç Ģ ģ Ķ ķ Ļ ļ Ņ ņ Ŗ ŗ Ş ş Ţ ţ   Đ đ   Ů ů   Ǎ ǎ Č č Ď ď Ě ě Ǐ ǐ Ľ ľ Ň ň Ǒ ǒ Ř ř Š š Ť ť Ǔ ǔ Ž ž   ǖ ǘ ǚ ǜ   Ċ ċ Ė ė Ġ ġ İ ı Ż ż   Ą ą Ę ę Į į Ǫ ǫ Ų ų   Ḍ ḍ Ḥ ḥ Ḷ ḷ Ḹ ḹ Ṃ ṃ Ṇ ṇ Ṛ ṛ Ṝ ṝ Ṣ ṣ Ṭ ṭ   Ł ł   Ő ő Ű ű   Ŀ ŀ   Ħ ħ Ğ ğ   Ð ð Þ þ   Ǣ ǣ Ø ø Å å   Ə ə
Á á Ć ć É é Í í Ó ó Ś ś Ú ú Ý ý Ǿ ǿ   À à È è Ì ì Ò ò Ù ù    â Ĉ ĉ Ê ê Ĝ ĝ Ĥ ĥ Î î Ĵ ĵ Ô ô ŝ Ŝ Û û   Ä ä Ë ë Ï ï Ö ö Ü ü ÿ   à ã Ñ ñ Õ õ   Å å   Ç ç   Č č Š š ŭ   Ł ł   Ő ő Ű ű   Ø ø   Ā ā Ē ē Ī ī Ō ō Ū ū Ȳ ȳ   Ă ă Ĕ ĕ Ğ ğ Ĭ ĭ Ŏ ŏ Ŭ ŭ Y̆ y̆   ß   Æ æ Œ œ   Ð ð Þ þ |
Do you think that the old ordering was better or that any of the now-omitted exotic letters will sometimes be needed? Then I can add them again. Greetings, --UV 22:20, 2 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There has been a lot of duplication among the specific-language character sets; probably you have covered all that's necessary ... but at present I don't see the full list of dot-beneath characters anywhere (Ḍ ḍ Ḥ ḥ Ḷ ḷ Ḹ ḹ Ṃ ṃ Ṇ ṇ Ṛ ṛ Ṝ ṝ Ṣ ṣ Ṭ ṭ. Most of these are needed for Sanskrit and other Indian languages. And I know I have wanted Ŵ ŵ Ŷ ŷ Ÿ in the past, but I can't remember for what language!
Peering very closely, I think there is a false character in this group: Č č Š š ŭ . I think you should delete ŭ from this group and paste in Ǔ ǔ instead.
I believe the edit page is definitely loading more quickly as a result of your work. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:08, 4 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I made the changes you proposed to the "Litterae exoticae" character set. You may need to force-reload an editing page and/or clear your browser cache before you can see the effect. --UV 23:52, 4 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that the subsection "Romanice2" (which could be renamed "Dacoromanice", incidentally) has some false characters. Instead of the last four characters Ș ș Ț ț we need Ş ş Ţ ţ. (The characters Ș ș Ț ț look good in text, but they are not the ones that are actually used in cross-wiki page names etc.) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:13, 28 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Changed. We may need to wait a few hours, then force-reload an editing page and/or clear the browser cache before we see the effect. Greetings, --UV 13:45, 28 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect. I guess, rather than telling you these things, I could edit MediaWiki:Onlyifediting.js myself ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:15, 28 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sure! But if it is easier for you to tell me, that is perfectly fine with me – whichever is easier for you! --UV 16:31, 28 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient languages localization contest

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Hello wikimedian:

Currently Ancient Greek is ahead in localization amomg classic languages. We invite you to a competition. The goal is to complete the translations of Wikimedian languages and its extensions. at Betawiki.

What languages will complete the localization? you can decide that.


I just went to upload the images from arma ignifera and found you did it. Thanks!!--Rafaelgarcia 01:44, 23 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Sorry for just removing the three images from the page without looking whether they are uploadable – usually I try to find where the images have gone or whether they are on another wiki and can be reuploaded to commons, but this time I must have been absent-minded and I obviously have omitted this step. Greetings, --UV 21:49, 23 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Yes, well, I thought I'd better have a go. I would be happy if you correct any of my translations -- I am not necessarily familiar with the usual terminology! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:13, 28 Martii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

De imaginum impositione

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Scripsi paginam de piratis et addere volebam nonnullas imagines. Ita imposui duo imagines in wikimedia commune, sed cum in recensione paginae meae nexus scripsi ad fasciculos addendos, non vidi imagines quas quaesiveram in pagina mea, sed tantum rubrum nexum. Quem si pungo, patefacit pagina "permissum erratum", quae mihi dicit tantum Magistrati ac Uploaders actum quod quaesiveram facere possunt. Sed ego fasciculos imposui vero, et nescio quid erratum sit. Potesne adiuvare? Spero te responsurum esse ac gratias tibi reddo plurimas.

Poecus 20:05, 8 Aprilis 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fasciculum nomine ….JPG (litteris maiusculis) apud Communia imposuisti, sed in pagina de piratis scripsisti ….jpg (litteris minusculis), ergo imago non monstrabatur. Necesse est nomen exactum fasciculi indicare. Vale! --UV 00:00, 9 Aprilis 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ita, statim errata correxi, et nunc imagines addere possum correcte. Tibi gratias reddo! Poecus 13:20, 9 Aprilis 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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hi bot, you don't have to move the interwikilinks (languages) on top of the categories. [1] --Kolja21 14:44, 18 Aprilis 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kolja21, UVbot was not moving interwiki links on top of categories, merely the {{Link FA}} template calls. I agree with you that this is not strictly necessary, but I do not know an easy way to stop pywikipediabot from touching the {{Link FA}} template calls while performing the other cleanup work.
By the way: The reason why UVbot edited that page was that the page contained a wikilink [[Deus|Deus]], which is an unnecessary duplication that caused that page to be listed as requiring cleanup on Vicipaedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia. Greetings, --UV 18:25, 18 Aprilis 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Hi UV, thanks for your reaction on my talk page. I don't understand yet why the bot removed a category. Nevertheless, a good reason to run it either semi-automatic or not at all in templatespace. Kind regards, --Maurits 17:26, 29 Aprilis 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I ran the bot with -catr:philosophia -lang:la. Apparently, there are templates in the subcategories. I now restarted it from nl in alphabetical order, so it now really shouldn't touch any templates anymore. Thanks again. Regards, --Maurits 16:45, 1 Maii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ok! --UV 22:21, 1 Maii 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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I always appeal to you if I have some formatting problem, and you always know the answer. Why do the two footnotes at Diarium behave in a different way? There must be some little thing I can't see. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:13, 9 Maii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I got it. It was an unwanted * causing the problem. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:15, 9 Maii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because a user wanted it at Gulielmus Adolphus Bouguereau I copied across {{Gallery}}. And then I saw your discussion at Disputatio Formulae:Pinacotheca. Do you still think it better not to have this template here? I guess this won't be the last time someone tries to use it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:02, 15 Maii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Those are two different templates, en:Template:Gallery and en:Template:Scroll gallery. I do not have a particular objection against the presence of en:Template:Gallery, although I did not see the advantage of using it in Gulielmus Adolphus Bouguereau, so I converted this article to "ordinary" galleries. Greetings, --UV 22:51, 15 Maii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder whether, in the case of Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?, it would be suitable to allow the image to be bigger? (a) because it's a detailed picture, hard to get clear at usual thumbnail size; (b) because it has a special suitability to this page, being an illustration of Cicero giving the speech that begins with these words. You can almost see the speech bubble!

The user reverted you twice, but I don't think he was being malicious (see his message on my page); just not yet familiar with us. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:45, 1 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with fixed pixel sizes is that they do not scale at all for users who prefer (or need!) image sizes to be generally larger or generally smaller.
Furthermore, in my view, not every image needs to be displayed at a size that shows every detail: For most images, it is in my view sufficient if the reader gets an "overall impression" of what the image depicts, and if the reader is interested in particular details, he/she can click on the image and look at the larger version on the image description page.
But there are certainly cases where there are good reasons to make an image larger than the other images, such as probably our case at hand. In these cases, I would therefore propose to specify that the image size shall be scaled relative to the default image size. See fr:Wikipédia:Recommandations sur la mise en forme des images#Mise en avant d'une image importante dans le cadre de l'article and fr:Aide:Taille des images. Greetings, --UV 11:00, 1 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much, UV. As usual, you know the best answer! I have never encountered this proportional sizing of images, but clearly it is the ideal solution in these special cases. I'll try it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:13, 1 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Self promotion

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Could you take a look here. This socalled poet is not known but promoted himself on Wikipedia: he has already been deleted by most Wikipedia's, since there are zero publications other than some internet-websites ala Myspace. I have not the foggiest idea how to nominate in this Latin Wikipedia, hence my request if you want to nominate on behalf of me, or of course yourself. Thanks in advance, Metzujan 08:50, 1 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You already proposed this on the article's talk page. This is fine since this article's talk page is being watched by several editors. --UV 11:00, 1 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The point is that I don't know how to nominate, if you don't want to do it could you please give me instructions how to nominate with the right code {xxx}. Thank you in advance Metzujan 16:27, 2 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you prefer to rush it, insert {{delenda}} at the beginning of the article and give your reasons on the article's talk page. --UV 22:42, 2 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, cause no one is reacting at the talk page Metzujan 15:20, 4 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've deleted that page now, since no one rushed to defend it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:56, 14 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Disputatio Vicipaediae:Praemia Vicipaedianis. I hope you'll accept the fasces censoriae, UV (assuming that others vote for my suggestion ...) Your crucial role in ensuring that Vicipaedia keeps on improving -- per ardua ad astra -- is long overdue for recognition! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:56, 14 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kindness of proposing me for a praemium. I will gratefully accept a praemium if the community decides so. Taking into account, however, that my work here is currently pretty much confined to "housekeeping" (very different from Iacobus' work, who was rightfully awarded the fasces censoriae for his great work writing new articles and improving the content of existing articles!) I would, instead of the fasces censoriae, deem a praemium like "insulae administer" more appropriate for my "housekeeping" work here … ;-) --UV 12:41, 14 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oddly enough, the idea was put into my mind by Iacobus himself: he felt that what you do (although quite different from what he does!) plays an equal part in the whole project, and I think so too. Well, let's see ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:02, 14 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I made it proconsularis potestas. As you help to ensure that Vicipaedia functions properly as a province of the Wikimedia empire, I feel that's appropriate! OK? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:42, 19 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Either one seems like an appropriate idea! IacobusAmor 11:13, 19 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
:-) Thank you so much! --UV 21:05, 19 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hendricus's pages

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Greetings, UV. Can you, by any chance, see an automated solution to the question being discussed at Vicipaedia:Taberna#Systema taxinomicum Animalis? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:11, 21 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, see Vicipaedia:Taberna#Systema taxinomicum Animalis. Greetings, --UV 19:46, 21 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cupio agere gratias pro purgandā sordē meā! Propter te, depolitio semper comitatur verba mea! Tibi promitto, desistam oblivisciri rerum addititiarum! =) CeleritasSoni 22:59, 24 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! --UV 21:32, 25 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you understand this?

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I bet you can, UV. I would love to change the bits of English text that surround each Wikimedia notification (on the Porta Communis left hand column), because the strange English and childish exclamation marks irritate me so much I can't bear to read the stuff any more. The repeating text I would want to change is: First, immediately under the heading,

  • 1. Machine translation: Service List – Local Translation Page| traduku

I can see where to insert a Latin translation of this bit, but I'm still stuck because I don't know what "Local translation page" really means, and "Traduku" seems to be a broken link! Then the text that appears at the foot of each box:

  • 2. This is a global notification system for all Wikimedia wikis!
  • … it's for spreading information; and for a better cross-wiki communication & collaboration!
  • … do not reply to this automatically delivered notification here; answer/discuss together on Meta, centrally!

Also the contents of the first box in the set, which seems to be present all the time and therefore needs to be reduced to a minimum:

  • If it is necessary to inform many/all wikis about something important, a global notification can be requested at meta:Global notifications/requests. It is possible to have wiki and/or language dependent text within every message. All Meta notifications are synchronized automatically, either on all wikis or just on specific, selected ones. To have a common access point, the messages are updated at Usor:WikimediaNotifier/notifications (mirrored, any changes to this page will be overwritten; use a separate page for translation); you can include this page(s) like a template wherever you want, let's say your village pump, with a description in your language! Have a look on the Frequently Asked Questions to see how it can fit your needs!
  • With SynchCrosswiki there furthermore is an easy way to create or synchronize pages like user scripts on all wikis!

I guess we should be able to translate these texts into Latin, but the instructions are meaningless to me. Do you know how I should proceed?

I would also like to prevent the left hand column of the Porta communis grabbing more than half the width, but, again, I don't see how to do it. Best wishes -- Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:31, 29 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a little progress. I think my real remaining problem is that when I get to the page Usor:WikimediaNotifier/translation, to which so many links lead, I don't know what I'm supposed to do next. I could ask Melancholie, I suppose, but I find his/her English difficult to understand. So, if you have any ideas, I'd be grateful! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:59, 29 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the notifications have not been updated for a while, so I think we should remove them altogether from our porta communis for the time being (and consider re-adding them in case the notifications ever get revived).
The (admittedly not too sophisticated) idea is that the page Usor:WikimediaNotifier/notifications always contains the English text, which should not be changed manually, as any changes would get overwritten when this page is updated for the next time. If someone cares to maintain a Latin translation of this page, then the translated page may reside anywhere on vicipaedia, but Usor:WikimediaNotifier/translation should contain the title of that translated page, so that anyone who visits Usor:WikimediaNotifier/notifications will be shown a link to the translated page. If someone would care to maintain a translation, then we could include the translated page in our porta communis instead of the English page. But, as I said, I think we should remove those old notifications for now altogether.
I fail to see the exact reason why the left hand column grabs more than half of the width in some browsers, but maybe the problem disappears after removing the notifications? --UV 20:41, 29 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That is really a much better idea. I hadn't realised how old the latest notifications were. Thanks, UV! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:01, 29 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mense Iunii aut Mense Iunio, ad mensem Iunium etc.

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Dear UV, could you please read our discussion in the taberna Vicipaedia:Taberna#Mense Iunii aut Mense Iunio, ad mensem Iunium etc., is it possible to correct the misstakes we have done? Thanks --Massimo Macconi 20:30, 29 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I replied there. Greetings, --UV 20:52, 29 Iunii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

descriptio imaginis

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Hello! Is there any reason why you made the infobox images on Citizen Kane and Lawrence of Arabia (pellicula) into thumbnails? I thought that most infoboxes didn't use thumbnails. Thanks! --SECUNDUS ZEPHYRUS 00:46, 6 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I edited those two infoboxes because the images did not have a description directly integrated to them. While there was a "description" below the images, this is not enough, because e. g. people with visual disabilities need to have the description directly integrated with the image. Please feel free to remove the "thumb" in the infobox but please keep the description directly integrated with the image (if necessary, you can repeat the description below the image). Greetings, --UV 21:25, 6 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, so like when I hover my cursor over the image it says the image description in the tooltip? The reason I'm asking is because other languages don't do this in their infoboxes (namely, I'm looking at the English page for Citizen Kane). --SECUNDUS ZEPHYRUS 02:27, 7 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - en:Template:Infobox film does a bad job in this respect, but other infoboxes on en: do use image descriptions properly, see e. g. en:Zebra. Greetings, --UV 21:41, 7 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks! I'll definitely be sure to do that in the future! --SECUNDUS ZEPHYRUS 04:20, 8 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you add to the dab page the globial event and delete the redirect Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosuars? That redirect is a typo. Ice Age lover 03:10, 6 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delevi. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:44, 6 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, in articles and disambiguation pages, we use the Latin language (and in particular, in articles and disambiguation pages, we do not favour the English language over other languages). The movies' original title, in the movies' original language, starts with "Ice Age", and there is no authorized translation of this movie into Latin, therefore our rules say that we shall use this name in vicipedia for the movie. However, the global event does have a Latin name. We therefore do not create English or French or Latvian or SiSwati redirects or links for the global event. Therefore, in my view, there should not be a link to the global event from the Ice Age disambiguation page. Greetings, --UV 21:25, 6 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me at Translatewiki?

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Can you help me, UV? The interface over there has changed since I last visited. I no longer know where to find any lists of messages to be translated into Latin -- or anything else in Latin. All I can find in Latin is the "recent changes".

I tried looking at "getting started": a possible clue is that it tells me to set my "language preference" -- for the language I want to translate into -- but I don't know how to do this! I can't find it at "my preferences", because "Internationalization" is something else. Andrew Dalby 10:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, after you log in to translatewiki, select "Translation tool" from the left hand column. Then, either click on "(edit)" next to "MediaWiki – This message group contains the messages used in the current alpha version of MediaWiki", or click on "(edit)" next to "Extensions used by Wikimedia – Meta message group containing all messages for supported MediaWiki extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation". If you wish to narrow the messages displayed to a particular extension, you can instead select a particular extension from the list below (note that not all extensions are installed on vicipaedia). Ok? --UV 21:16, 15 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo UV. Usor:Andrew Dalby hat mir mitgeteilt, dass dein Bot ev. in der Lage ist, die Formula:LHH bei Artikeln, die bisher normal auf das Historische Lexikon der Schweiz verlinken (Specialis:Quaerere nexus externos/www.hls-dhs-dss.ch), einzusetzen. Könntest du das machen? --Leyo 14:19, 16 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo, habe den Großteil erledigt. 62 Artikel sind noch übrig, die kann ich gerne entweder morgen oder am Wochenende angehen. Herzlich, --UV 23:06, 16 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Vielen Dank. Ich habe übrigens bei einigen Stichproben einen Fehler gefunden, der aber nicht von deinem Bot stammt. Kommt dir eine Möglichkeit in den Sinn, diesen mittels Anpassung der Vorlage zu verhindern? --Leyo 08:20, 17 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Leider, da fällt mir nichts ein. Wenn der Parameter immer numerisch wäre, könnte man vermutlich #expr nutzen, aber da manchmal auch Bindestriche vorkommen, geht das nicht. Wenn Du möchstest, kannst du auf de:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Vorlagen/Werkstatt anfragen, ob dort jemand eine Idee hat. Sonst bleibt wohl nur der Weg übrig, keine überflüssigen Leerzeichen zuzulassen. --UV 19:18, 17 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Vorlage ist jetzt in allen Artikeln statt des direkten Weblinks/Einzelnachweises drin. --UV 20:52, 17 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Vielen Dank!
Ich habe in der Vorlagenwerkstatt angefragt.
Etwas unschön finde ich das Ergebnis übrigens bei denjenigen Artikeln, die nicht in allen drei Sprachen existieren (Beispiel Iosephus Antonius Schobinger). Es wäre doch sinnvoll, wenn die Betreiber in solchen Fällen einen Hinweis aufschalten könnten, dass der Artikel nur in einer oder zwei anderen Sprachen existiert. --Leyo 21:31, 17 Iulii 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whenever you have time

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... could you have a look at Disputatio Formulae:Commune Italianum. They want to rethink the infobox and, if possible, Latinize the names of the parameters. But it is used on about 700 pages (I think), so this would surely require some automated help. Are you able to advise? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:52, 21 Augusti 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks doable, I replied there. Greetings, --UV 20:57, 6 Septembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Schola Regia Gippisvicensis

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Hello. Could you elaborate on your gripes regarding this page? If you could point to specific areas of dubiosity then it would be most helpful. Thanks! PostTaylor

Hello. See my recent changes:
  • abdicatio is the nominative case and is thus reserved for the subject of a sentence -> Ianus Galbraith abdicationem nuntiavit (possibly others will propose better ways to express this in Latin).
  • nuntiaverat "he had said already before that" does not make sense to me in this context, because June 2009 is after March 2009 and not before.
  • nuntiare -> Accusativus cum infinitivo.
Greetings, --UV 22:29, 16 Septembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gratias! PostTaylor

Bot unblocking

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Hi. This is request for unblocking my bot Ver-bot. I didn't know that I need bot flag on this wiki. Regards. --Verwolff 12:58, 29 Septembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for creating a userpage, I unblocked your bot. Your bot does not need a bot flag but it needed a userpage. See Project:Bot policy. Greetings, --UV 23:09, 29 Septembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Please update interwikis in Formula:Abecedarium Graecum, using w:en:Template:Greek Alphabet because local interwikis are not current. 19:17, 29 Septembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I unprotected the template so that interwiki bots can do the work (the current list at w:en:Template:Greek Alphabet is not correct either, see e. g. the link to the German wikipedia). Greetings, --UV 23:09, 29 Septembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Formula:Commune Italianum

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Ave UV. Nemo dum ulla dixit de formula nova Communium Italianorum hac disputatione. Vidi te formulam emendantem in harenario meo, ergo puto te usorem unum curantem. ;) Quae dicis, formula nova probata est usoribus silentibus?

--Achillus 08:02, 5 Octobris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Formulam tuam probatam esse censeo. I tried to improve your template so that the old parameter names can still be used (together with parameter names copied from the Italian wikipedia, which would make it much easier to update population numbers etc. just by copying over the template). However, I apparently introduced an error near the bottom of the template where the map should be shown. Maybe you can find my error more quickly than I can, it looks like you are an expert on templates anyway. As soon as this is fixed, feel free to copy your template right over Formula:Commune Italianum Thank you for your work! --UV 21:45, 5 Octobris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Da veniam, Achille, si nihil dixi, sed opus tuum (et usoris UV) valde probo. Macte! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:48, 6 Octobris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gratias vobis ago. Unam rem puto clarificandam: concordo ut parametra actualia retineantur, sed res novae communium Italianorum faci possunt ex translatore "subst:" similante huius a formula capsae vicipaediae Italicae, exemplum de translatione scribi possit. Sic parametra nova formulae vicipaediae Italicae oblitterentur.
--Achillus 18:41, 7 Octobris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bene! --UV 20:50, 7 Octobris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi my friend, how are you? Please, can you watch this new page that I made and, please, correct all my Latin mistakes? My latin isn't so good as your.

Thamks and have a nice week end

Rex Momo 12:33, 9 Octobris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, UV. If we decide (as seems possible) that the Italian language should be called "Lingua Italiana", is it likely that a bot could help us correct the existing very large number of mentions of "Lingua Italica"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:40, 12 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A bot could do most of the work, sure. Correcting most link targets (= links to the misnamed page) should be quite easy, and correcting most occurrences in text should work as well. We should, however, be aware that a bot would blindly change those occurrences as well to "Lingua Italiana" that really refer to the Osco-Faliscan-... family. --UV 23:23, 12 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Useful point. We can probably work with that, because usually Linguae Italicae (pl.) will refer to the pre-Roman language family, while Lingua Italica (sg.) is the one that will need to be changed. So, if the word is linked, it will be OK. If it is not linked, we as humans may have to distinguish between a genitive singular and a nominative plural. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:30, 13 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just tell me when consensus is reached so that my bot can start the work. Greetings, --UV 20:39, 14 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, no objection is raised at Disputatio:Lingua Italica. Let's start, if you're willing. The main things to deal with, I guess, are moving the page (which I will now do), moving the categories, which I will request on your category move page, and then working on existing links and other text. Mainly, both the link text and the piped text in links to Italice and Lingua Italica need to have -ic- changed to -ian-: is that the way you would approach it? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:53, 18 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think I have done most of what can be done safely using a bot. Special:Whatlinkshere/Italice now gives only 25 entries, and Special:Whatlinkshere/Lingua Italica now gives about 75 entries. In my view, those entries should, if at all, be handled manually, in order to be on the safe side and not to introduce errors. But if you still see some possible automatic replacement that can be done safely (for a pattern that occurs on more than just two or three pages), please tell me! Greetings, --UV 22:50, 19 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm the owner of the bot, I already create the user's page: The bot's user page and my user page. Regards!!--Ezarate 15:24, 24 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I unblocked your bot. --UV 23:17, 24 Novembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New template

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Hi, I was wondering if you could help me making a new template. In the same way we have got the {{lexfons}} tamplate, I would like to have a {{Ximenius}} template with the following info:

Roderici Ximenii Historia de Rebus Hispaniae sive Historia Gothica; I. Fernandez Valverde eddidit apud "Corpus Chrisitianorum continuatio Medievalis" 72, Brepols.

Would it be possible to make it so if you type {{Ximenius|IV.XI}} (indicating chapter and verse) it would appear as it follows?

Roderici Ximenii Historia de Rebus Hispaniae sive Historia Gothica IV.XI; I. Fernandez Valverde eddidit apud "Corpus Chrisitianorum continuatio Medievalis" 72, Brepols.

Thanks and happy new year!--Xaverius 12:01, 30 Decembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I created the template but omitted the edition. Maybe other people use a different edition – the chapter and verse numbers ought to be the same even across different editions. I also separated the chapter and verse into two different parameters so that it is easier to change the formatting of the template later. Happy new year! --UV 22:19, 30 Decembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks!--Xaverius 22:29, 30 Decembris 2009 (UTC)[reply]