Disputatio:Adventus
Why is this article in the category "Ecclesia Catholica" (i.e., "Ecclesia Catholica Romana")?
Advent is also observed by Episcopalians, Anglicans, Lutherans, perhaps miscellaneous other Protestant sects, presumably the Greek & Russian churches, and maybe even others. It isn't particular to the Roman church. Maybe the whole category needs reexamining. IacobusAmor 17:26, 19 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- This is a point for further categories, not against this one. For the Rhine river you can also have categories Switzerland, Germany, France, Netherlands. --Alex1011 17:51, 19 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's a point for including it in a higher category, not multiple lower categories. 'Adventus' is not a differentia specifica of Catholicism. If it's a characteristic of Christian churches, you put it (as en does) under some Christian holiday category; if it is characteristic of some well-defined subset of Christianity, it can go to a more specific category. If the article describes vertebrae, you don't categorize it under dog anatomy, under fish anatomy, under raccoon anatomy, and under every other animal that happens to sport a spine, but under the one general category of vertebrate anatomy. You do this because it is only incidental that Catholics have Advent and fish have backbones: they only have them because they belong to the larger group--of churches celebrating traditional Christian holidays or animals built with vertebrate anatomy. (The Rhine river would ideally go under something like 'rivers of [Western] Europe'; if it passes through all those countries, I would rather call e.g. France a country of the river than the Rhine a river somehow belonging to France, which only has a bit of it. But in this case en does not agree with me, though this is probably because countries are seen as being more important than rivers and continents.) --Myces Tiberinus 19:22, 19 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- According to Webster, Advent is "the period beginning four Sundays before Christmas and observed by some Christians as a season of prayer and fasting." So the obviously appropriate category is whatever "SOME CHRISTIANS" implies. In a secular sense, Advent is the season during which Christmas carols are often heard on radio, in shopping malls, and so forth. IacobusAmor 18:58, 19 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
- Mycae Iacoboque consentio. Sit melius supercategoriam imponere et subcategoriam removere.--Ioshus (disp) 19:53, 19 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Alex[fontem recensere]
...it's easy add the new cathegories [Scripsit Helveticus montanus hora 18:00 diei 19 Ianuarii 2007.]
ad sententiam vituperatam[fontem recensere]
Haec sententia puerilis latine reddita haud apta videtur, quia versus in syllabis extremis non concinunt, - id quod theodisce fit:
- Advent, Advent,
- ein Lichtlein brennt.
- Erst eins, dann zwei,
- dann drei, dann vier,
- dann steht das Christkind vor der Tür.
Fieri potest, ut liberi audaciores huic carmini addant:
- Und wenn das fünfte Lichtlein brennt,
- Lucente quinta candela
- dann hast du Weihnachten verpennt!
- frustra festum contrivisti.
Id censeo non solum celandum, sed funditus esse tollendum . --Bavarese (disputatio) 11:49, 13 Ianuarii 2016 (UTC)
- Assentior ego, quamquam conversionem sine Reim factam aliquando utilem puto. Hoc autem canticulum Theodiscum in pagina Latina non mihi magni momenti esse videtur. Ecce verba quae modo sustuli:
- Primo unum lumen lucet
- tum duo
- deinde tria
- postremo quattuor
- tum Nativitas ante portas.