Disputatio:Franciscus (papa)

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Pagina honorata Franciscus (papa) fuit pagina mensis Martii 2018.

English-speakers: what does his motto mean?[fontem recensere]

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Haec disputatio barbaris omnibus, neque anglophonis tantum, convenit :) Commentationem incipio de ea sententia: videte (mox) Disputatio:Miserando atque eligendo. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:51, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Disputationem nunc iuxta eam paginam removi: OK? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:24, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)

CV[fontem recensere]

He studied chemistry; en:wiki says at the University of Buenos Aires, but I think that's wrong. He studied at a technical college and at several seminaries, and then taught at seminaries, but was never at any university, I believe. Not at any of the pontifical universities. If so that's almost unique among recent cardinals.

Off-wikipedia sources say he "spent some time in Germany" but I don't know where (nor does de:wiki); en:wiki says he completed his doctoral dissertation in Germany, but doesn't say where (or who awarded the doctorate). He spent 1970/71 at Alcalá de Henares near Madrid. There was no university there at that time, so, if the fact is accurate, that also was presumably a seminary. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:08, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Fr:wiki has answers to some of these questions now. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:01, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Someone inserted the "University of Buenos Aires" claim. It wasn't in any reliable source when I last searched: if there is a source, please cite it. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:23, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Is fuit LilyKitty, cuius in pagina disputationis fons nunc citatur, sed an sufficiet haud scio: en:wiki iam duos fontes pro studiis universitariis papae Francisci citat, sed plurimos ante! Sine dubio alii multi in aliis Vicipaediis res veras fontesque fidelissimos etiamnunc reperiunt. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:51, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Contact[fontem recensere]

The last-added external link supplies his address, telephone number and email, but I guess these will now be changing ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:16, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Noncommutative interwikis[fontem recensere]

You can get to Vicipaedia from Wikipedia, but you can't get from Vicipaedia to Wikipedia. What's the best fix? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:47, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Patience, probably :) Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:50, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)
But I found a quicker answer. Fact is, when I moved our page to Franciscus (papa) I really should have gone on to edit Wikidata (as requested on the page). I've done it now ... no, hasn't helped. Patience, then. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 22:04, 13 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Oh well. Maybe if somebody manually added one, just one, pertinent link (to en:Pope Francis I), the bots would notice? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 01:38, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
OK. It works now. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 01:43, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't try further, I was off to bed. But I had encountered this with Wikidata on another occasion -- an unexplained delay in updating, which eventually somehow sorted itself out. I hope they correct the problem, whatever it is. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:28, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
I'm seeing this too: when you update a Wikidata entry to a moved or renamed page, the new inter-wiki links don't show up immediately. But they do eventually -- within a matter of hours. Seems to be a consistent issue, so it's reproducible and therefore fixable. A. Mahoney (disputatio) 12:20, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)

ut honore Franciscum ... augeret[fontem recensere]

I didn't understand this construction (whether naming Francis Xavier, as at first, or Francis of Assisi, as now). "To increase Francis ... by the honour"? How could you increase Francis? So I changed it to "ut honorem Francisci ... augeret", to increase the honour of Francis ..., which is what I guess was meant. Did I do right? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:25, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Cassell's says the idiom is honore aliquem augere (Caes.) ~ honore aliquem adficere (Cic.) and honorem alicui reddere (Cic., Liv.). Numerous other ways of expressing such a familiar thought may be in play, but your honorem alicuius augere doesn't fit either canonical pattern, so I've changed it back. If the idiom acquired other variants in the Middle Ages, someone will let us know. In any case, the only public evidence for the allegation apparently comes from a Vatican spokesman, not the man himself, so the sentence may need to be revised, and not merely to improve the idiom. The initial Vatican-sourced report, that the name honors Franciscus Xaverius, may not have been entirely erroneous. As a diplomat, the pontiff may be intending to give a shoutout to any number of Franciscuses, for all we know. ;) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:05, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Iacobe, I see it now. No, we can't be sure yet which Francis gets the honour! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:42, 14 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Sanctæ romanæ ecclesiæ?[fontem recensere]

Is there a reason why we use the expression "Ecclesiae Catholicae Romanae" in the articles here on lawiki instead of the phrase used for instance in the appointment, Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae? --Nuke (disputatio) 23:39, 15 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Latin word order is free; there is no need to use the same order every time. Try varying it in some cases if you think it appropriate. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:32, 16 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I see now, it isn't just word order. The place to discuss the name is Disputatio:Ecclesia Catholica Romana. There has been some discussion there already ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:10, 16 Martii 2013 (UTC)

De nomine baptismali[fontem recensere]

Nomen baptismale, ni fallor, est nomen quod unicuique baptismo datum est. Nonne igitur nomen baptismale Francisci est Jorge Maria? Neander (disputatio) 09:16, 16 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Fontes: recensiones et textús e libro El Jesuita[fontem recensere]

[Nunc usus sum] Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:44, 20 Martii 2013 (UTC)

De libro Dialogos entre Juan Pablo II y Fidel Castro[fontem recensere]

Huius libri in aliis Vicipaediis auctores esse dicuntur papam Ioannem Paulum II et Fidelem Castro, editorem autem cardinalem Bergoglio. Haud credo: mihi videtur Bergoglio solum auctorem fuisse dialogorum philosophicorum, sicut ex hac descriptione satis liquet. Sed fontem fidelem non reperio. An quis potest hunc librum in bibliotheca invenire? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:28, 29 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Librum in Bibliotheca Congressionali hic habes. Quid est Grupo de Reflexión "Centesimus Annus"? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 19:40, 29 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Hmm. "Timed out." Ergo quaere hic. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 19:47, 29 Martii 2013 (UTC)
Gratias maximas tibi ago. Me erravisse confiteor. Nunc quia illa verba "Grupo de Reflexión Centesimus Annus" quaesivi, descriptionem libri hic tandem repperi! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:10, 29 Martii 2013 (UTC)

Translatio nominis operis novissimi (anno 2012 public.)[fontem recensere]

Salvete,

In lingua iberica nomen operis novissimi Bergoglii est Mente abierta, corazon creyente. Cur in lingua latina non transtulistis MenS aperta, COR credeNS?

Salutat -- Aquilamentis (disputatio) 16:06, 10 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

Imagines Christinae de Kirchner[fontem recensere]

Estne aliqua causa ex qua haec pagina Francisci papae duabus imaginibus Christinam de Kirchner ostendentibus egeat? Si ita esset, imagines etiam omnium aliorum hominorum rerum publicarum quos Franciscus convenit inserendae essent. Quod hanc paginam minime iuvaret. Etiam dubitandum arbitror an Franciscus praesidem quendam praecipue sustinere velit. --Nigidiolus (disputatio) 16:42, 4 Martii 2018 (UTC)

Fortasse eo tempore, quo pagina parata est, paucae imagines apud Communia iacebant. Te suadeo, Nigidiole, imagines idoneas apud Communia quaerere (vide commons:Category:Franciscus) easque in paginam nostram inserere, peioribus sine metu deletis. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:20, 4 Martii 2018 (UTC)