Disputatio:Abecedarium

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This thing needs a major rewrite. The Latin alphabet isn't even printed, for instance, just spelled out. And I don't think it's helpful to say "Aleph, id bos est," because, for one it no longer looks like the cow it once represented, and two, its a letter not a bos. It should be explained that the letters were derived from animal (and other things) names, not just thrown out there "id est". It would be helpful also to describe the origins of the alphabet, and how the letters evolved from Phoenecian. Several more alphabets should be added, and from the closely related ones, a table might be useful showing the characters in the same line of sight, rather than aligned left all down the page. I intend to do all this, I'm not just expecting someone else to make this changes. Just wanted to put something on discussion page, because I intend to seriously restructure this article, and wanted to let any previous authors have a word in edgewise.--Ioshus Rocchio 20:42, 31 Ianuarii 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'll remove the 'id est's, and add the letter sounds. Dbmag9 18:15, 25 Aprilis 2006 (UTC)
Et quoque quisquis hoc scripsit nesciebat praepositionem "e, ex" casui servire ablativo, non nominativo. Articulum nominibus litterarum caret Latinarum; prosit scire quomodo litterae Latine dicatur.--Carolus 15:50, 26 Augusti 2006 (UTC)

Europaenus...[fontem recensere]

...non est verbum... Recte Europae- us, a, um.--Ioshus (disp) 15:28, 9 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

In certain rural American dialects of English there's Europeen ;) --Iustinus 16:38, 9 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

"scribuntur cum alphabeto"[fontem recensere]

Re:

"Hodie fere omnes linguae quas Europaei sciunt scribuntur cum alphabeto ex Poenico ducto."

Would this better be an ablative of means (with no cum)?

"Hodie fere omnes linguae quas Europaei sciunt alphabeto ex Poenico ducto scribuntur."

Also (since some Europeans who know languages know, e.g., African & Asian languages)?

"Hodie fere omnes linguae Europaeae alphabeto e Poenico ducto scribuntur."

Also (since linguists have been busy at work these last several hundred years)?

"Hodie fere omnes linguae mundi alphabeto e Poenico ducto scribuntur."

Jes' wonderin'. IacobusAmor 16:10, 9 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Good points, I definitely agree.--Ioshus (disp) 16:49, 9 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

De abecedariis alphabetisque[fontem recensere]

Duo verba habet lingua Latina quibus appellet seriem litterarum, alterum abecedarium alterum alphabetum. Potius quam aliud verbum a linguá Latiná aberruncandum aliud vero indistincté semper adhibendum, videntur ambo utilia quibus distinguantur, sicut in omnibus aliis fit præterea linguis, sensus concretus a sensu abstracto atque linguistico. Hac de causá mox quæ ad alphabetum pertinent in paginam alphabeti transferam, nunc innecessario inanem, quæque pertinent ad abecedaria in hacine relinquam. Avitus 13:25, 3 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

Probe dicis, amice. Fortasse verbum alphabetum est postclassicale ("Late Latin"); abecedarium, mediaevale. Age sane! IacobusAmor 13:56, 3 Augusti 2007 (UTC)