Disputatio Usoris:HerbertMcCheese-Wang

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Some of those references from Riddle & Arnold are very useful, especially where we had no source cited until now. Thanks especially for impelling me to find and cite sources for Latin names of Hampshire, which we had never done.

If we already cite sources, and you're adding another name, it's a good idea to think twice: does any other source use the name you're adding? An early 19th century schoolbook is not necessarily very persuasive in itself. The first sentence of an encyclopaedia article needs to be short and clear: five alternative names (as with Armacha) was far too many, and what was needed was to put some of the alternatives in footnotes, especially if they are found in only one source. I've done that now. Better still, we could add a section later in the article, specifically about the place names. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:51, 22 Maii 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Andrew,

Thank you for your message. Yes I agree that having more than one name in the first sentence of the article isn't ideal, though many place names already had 2, 3 or even 4 names already. I like your idea about having a section about the name of a place in Latin, perhaps there the Roman vs post-Classical name can be discussed (as with Aquae Sulis vs Bathonia).

I agree also that a single dictionary may not be the most persuasive source, but the dictionary of proper names was added by Charles Anthon in his 1849 revision of the work, and he seems to have used a number of scholarly sources. See https://github.com/FergusJPWalsh/riddle-arnold#anthons-bibliography for more information and https://github.com/FergusJPWalsh/riddle-arnold/blob/main/riddle-arnold-proper-names.tsv to search it yourself.

I look forward to adding to the already impressive resource on contemporary place names that you and your fellow Latin Wikipedians have assembled.

Yours,

"Herbert" HerbertMcCheese-Wang (disputatio) 20:15, 22 Maii 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you in turn for your reply. I'm sure that you have lots of information to add. Don't hang back. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:52, 23 Maii 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nova Hanonia[fontem recensere]

Could you confirm that Nova Hanonia isn't a typo (for Nova Hantonia), either in Riddle & Arnold or in your citation? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:58, 22 Maii 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't a typo by Herbert, nor, probably, by Anthon. I have a copy of the book myself (the 6th London edition, into which Anthon's list of proper names was adopted) and I checked this detail after seeing Herbert's edits. The same spelling is used twice, for New Hampshire and for Hampshire in England. I don't know where Anthon got it from, but I think it was an unwise choice because it tends to confuse the name with Hannonia in Belgium.

All other Latin versions of the name Hampshire that I have seen contain a "t". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:52, 23 Maii 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I stand amazed! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 16:27, 23 Maii 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you think it'd be best, I would be happy to relegate Hanonia to the footnotes, if there are many other citations with -t-. HerbertMcCheese-Wang (disputatio) 11:12, 24 Maii 2022 (UTC)[reply]