Disputatio Usoris:Felix Folio Secundus

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Salve, Felix!

Gratus in Vicipaediam Latinam acciperis! Ob contributa tua gratias agimus speramusque te delectari posse et manere velle.

Cum Vicipaedia nostra parva humilisque sit, paucae et exiguae sunt paginae auxilii, a quibus hortamur te ut incipias:

Si plura de moribus et institutis Vicipaedianis scire vis, tibi suademus, roges in nostra Taberna, vel roges unum ex magistratibus directe.

In paginis encyclopaedicis mos noster non est nomen dare, sed in paginis disputationis memento editis tuis nomen subscribere, litteris impressis --~~~~, quibus insertis nomen tuum et dies apparebit. Quamquam vero in paginis ipsis nisi lingua Latina uti non licet, in paginis disputationum qualibet lingua scribi solet. Quodsi quid interrogare velis, vel Taberna vel pagina disputationis mea tibi patebit. Ave! Spero te "Vicipaedianum" fieri velle!


-- Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:38, 10 Octobris 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see you ...[fontem recensere]

... back on Vicipaedia! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:58, 24 Februarii 2010 (UTC)

Occasional editor // Hello, I am never going to do very much here as my studying of Latin only went as far as 1965 (4 years at school and one term at University), since when it has been hardly used. I have just done a Peter Fox article for the English WP having found that Latin articles already existed for several university librarians I knew something about. The Latin user name was of course just chosen as a variant on a pseudonym used by a 19th century author.--Felix Folio Secundus 09:20, 26 Februarii 2010 (UTC)

Query[fontem recensere]

I couldn't find a list of heads of the British Library after 1974 (see Index bibliothecariorum et directorum Musei Britannici necnon Bibliothecae Britannicae). Can you, by any chance? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:48, 12 Iunii 2010 (UTC)

There may not be a single head for the library after 1973; Whitaker's Almanack 1988 gives three directors general: Humanities and Social Sciences, J. M. Smethurst; Science, Technology and Industry, Maurice Bernard Line; Bibliographic Services, Peter R. Lewis. The first of these relates to the part which had been the library departments of the British Museum. I will try and investigate further.--Felix Folio Secundus 12:50, 13 Iunii 2010 (UTC)

Tara[fontem recensere]

Thanks for your note about this lady. However, I don't know that we at Vicipaedia can do much about weak mythology pages on the English Wikipedia! I fear there are more English-speaking mythologists than the earth really needs ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:09, 24 Septembris 2010 (UTC)

Wolsey[fontem recensere]

Yes, he interests me and I noticed your chronology. I'll have a good look at it later -- Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:48, 25 Septembris 2011 (UTC)

I am turning it into text, which is more the style of a Wikipedia biography: I hope that's OK. Your tabular format remains on the talk page. I notice the English Wikipedia is unhelpful on Wolsey's birth date (stated differently in text and infobox) and when he became a Privy Councillor (1509 in one paragraph, 1511 in another). Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:43, 3 Octobris 2011 (UTC)
Does it look OK? What did you mean by "petit officium Pontifex maximus"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:46, 3 Octobris 2011 (UTC)
He wanted to be Pope? More ambitious than I realised!
Now what's the Latin for the "Field of the Cloth of Gold"? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:36, 4 Octobris 2011 (UTC)
Got it! Campus Panni Aurei. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:54, 7 Octobris 2011 (UTC)

--Felix Folio Secundus 21:01, 7 Februarii 2012 (UTC)

Need to move correctly[fontem recensere]

If you want to move an existing page you must use the "Move" tab (found under the little black arrowhead near the search box, top right of the Wikipedia page). It's much, much easier -- but the reason it's a rule is that, if you delete-and-paste, the page history remains with the old page, and we risk breaching our GDFL licence.

However, I don't know why you moved Giacosa. We don't change people's surnames (unless some reliable Latin source gives us a Latin name for the person concerned, and this practically never happens for modern people). So I've moved the material back for the moment. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:01, 7 Februarii 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. Sorry, I didn't realise. There was already a short page there -- a duplicate; in such a case there is no right answer to the move question and you did nothing wrong. But I'm still in doubt about why you chose "Iacosa". I can find only seven examples of "Giuseppe Iacosa" on Google: is it in fact possibly correct? If so, we would need to cite a source. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:07, 7 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
Obviously choosing "Iacosa" was a mistake and "Iosephus Giacosa" should be the right form. The content was actually not exactly the same. Perhaps I was misled by seeing the entry for Luchino Visconti with both names turned into Latin. I do know about moving and moved E. B. Ceadel yesterday.--Felix Folio Secundus 21:01, 7 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
Yes, of course you did, I noticed that yesterday! Thanks for replying -- Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:10, 7 Februarii 2012 (UTC)

A mere thought[fontem recensere]

I notice you're doing quite a lot of "housekeeping", improving categories, etc. I don't know if this would interest you, but a lot of our biographies are really, really brief and one thing that could be added systematically to many of them is about education -- most basically, what university and when. As you know, we have categories for university students, see Categoria:Alumni universitatum, but not enough people in them. (If we were expanding this it would probably make sense to add categories for each Oxford and Cambridge college, which we haven't done till now.) But just ignore me if you have other plans ...! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:29, 16 Februarii 2012 (UTC)

This is interesting in a way but I am not inclined to try anything. It would involve so many articles and many of them would not perhaps have academic details in the text already so English WP would need to be researched to back up any category. I noticed two more librarians recently with Latin having the only coverage so turned the Latin to English. The requested articles section for Librarianship at English WP seems to get little attention but it could yield something far into the future. «Vale» --Felix Folio Secundus 19:07, 26 Februarii 2012 (UTC)
Of course, that makes good sense. Our paths cross from time to time ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 22:15, 26 Februarii 2012 (UTC)

Regina Jhansiensis[fontem recensere]

Regina Jhansiensis Laximibaï (turmae equitum « sowar » dipictus)

Laxmibai (vel Lakshmî Bâî; vulgo «Jhansi ki Rani»; anglice "the Rani of Jhansi"; marathi झाशीची राणी लक्ष्मीबाई) nata 19 novembris 1828 ad Varanasi; mortua 17/18 junii 1858 ad Gwalior)[1][2][3] regina principatu Jhansiensis maratha et rebellionis Indicae anno 1857 heroina (quem nationalisti indici bellum independentis Indiae primum appellunt) est. Laxmibai symbolum resistantiae contra colonisatio britannica nationalisti indici est.

  1. Jhansi Ki Rani Lakshmibai Biography (contenans diem natalem 19 novembris 1835)
  2. Meyer, Karl E. & Brysac, Shareen Blair (1999) Tournament of Shadows. Washington, DC: Counterpoint; p. 138--"The Rani of Jhansi ... known to history as Lakshmi Bai, she was possibly only twelve in 1842 when she married the ... Rajah of Jhansi ..."
  3. Historici disputant de anno natale; 1827, 1830 et 1835 possibili sunt.
Nexus externi

I've given it a go ... English Wikipedia articles on Indian topics are not notable for being well sourced (to put it gently), but the online work by Allen Copsey (which I've added to external links) looks pretty good to me. The articles that I've put in the bibliography, and also reviews of the books, are available on JSTOR. If you don't have JSTOR, and would like to read any of them, I could send you PDFs. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:44, 18 Septembris 2013 (UTC)

It looks very good particularly the potentially controversial "rebellion" part. Allen Copsey's compilation is very well done and made it possible for me to improve the English WP article without having access to the best biographies. Though she is one of the most famous women of India the WP article on her was then rather poor and getting messed up by biased contributors. Till then I had tried to stay away from military history as neutrality is not easy to maintain there.--Felix Folio Secundus (disputatio) 11:28, 19 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
Ah, very good, I hadn't noticed that you had contributed to the English page. We have the same opinion of Copsey. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:33, 19 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
Don't know if you've seen this. Haven't read it, but there are three chapters on events of 1857/58 in Jhansi. Might it be the oldest narrative in English written from a non-British and not-wholly-masculine point of view? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:49, 19 Septembris 2013 (UTC)
That is a very interesting find; the contents list does not have page nos. so I have not taken a serious look at the contents. The authors are American Presbyterian missionaries born in 1836 and 1837 so they might take a different view from British missionaries of the period. From Copac I have found the British Library copy of this book and also that James Foote Holcomb was the author of "Jhansi History and the Rani of Jhansi" 73 p. Madras: M. E. Press, [1904] The three chapters in the 1905 book may be the same text as this. I do not plan to amend the English page on the Rani much more; it has stabilised since the page protection was switched on. If it develops significantly it will be an Indian editor with good language skills who does it I expect. Books written by two or more people have always been a problem for bibliographers; the Holcombs' book is written neither from a British or an Indian viewpoint so well worth mentioning.--Felix Folio Secundus (disputatio) 12:59, 20 Septembris 2013 (UTC)