Disputatio Categoriae:Iuventus Hitlerana
An utilis?[fontem recensere]
Quaestiones tres mihi in mente veniunt:
- Cur "Hitlerana"? Pagina enim de hac societate Iuventus Hitleriana appellatur. Vocabulum "Hitleriana" an iam alibi Latine legitur nescio, sed certe a lingua Italica mutuari potest. "Hitlerana" rarissime reperitur.
- Certainly Hitleriana is likelier to be productive in modern Latin, but I was leaning on the rule in the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, which, in the formation of genus names commemorating men, treats final er uniquely: "when the name of a person ends in a consonant, the letters ia are added, except when the name ends in er, when a is added (so the i would be intrusive in suffixes); also, in species epithets, "the letters ii are added, except when the name ends in er, when i is added" (so again the i would be intrusive in suffixes). By this rule, you might be able to get Hitleriana regularly if the surname is Hitlerus, but is it? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:00, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- Those are good rules for botanists, but Wikipedians start from sources. The creator of Iuventus Hitleriana was (I think) closer to a source, even if it's an Italian source, than the creator of Categoria:Iuventus Hitlerana, but either could perhaps be justified. Maybe there are Latin sources I haven't found. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:56, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- Utrum Hitleranus an Hitlerianus? In mentem mihi venit alterum nomen, quod etiam exemplis carere videtur. Nunc igitur video, cur tu, Iacobe, in Augustus Schleicher "fabulam Schleicheranam" scribas (ego autem ipsam fabulam tractans "fabula Schleicheriana" scribo). Tu auctoritate codicis Code of Botanical Nomenclature nixus Schleicheranus scripsisti. Sed mihi parum liquet, cur nomina in -er cadentia tantam faciant exceptionem. Praeterea apud botanistas Schleicherianum inveni adiectivum in honorem Iohannis Chr. Schleicher (1768-1834) factum. Neander (disputatio) 17:22, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- Those are good rules for botanists, but Wikipedians start from sources. The creator of Iuventus Hitleriana was (I think) closer to a source, even if it's an Italian source, than the creator of Categoria:Iuventus Hitlerana, but either could perhaps be justified. Maybe there are Latin sources I haven't found. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:56, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- Certainly Hitleriana is likelier to be productive in modern Latin, but I was leaning on the rule in the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, which, in the formation of genus names commemorating men, treats final er uniquely: "when the name of a person ends in a consonant, the letters ia are added, except when the name ends in er, when a is added (so the i would be intrusive in suffixes); also, in species epithets, "the letters ii are added, except when the name ends in er, when i is added" (so again the i would be intrusive in suffixes). By this rule, you might be able to get Hitleriana regularly if the surname is Hitlerus, but is it? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:00, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- An sodales ipso facto membra factionis Nazisticae erant? Hanc rem supercategoria proposita (rubra) suggerit, sed testimonia usque adhuc non repperi.
- That's how the English & Portuguese wikis do it; the German wiki is vaguer, with Jugend im Nationalsozialismus. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:00, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- Let's find a reliable source, then. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:56, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- That's how the English & Portuguese wikis do it; the German wiki is vaguer, with Jugend im Nationalsozialismus. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:00, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- Si bene intellego iuvenibus omnibus stirpis Germanicae, Germaniam habitantibus, necesse erat ab anno fere 1938/1939 huic societati adhaerere. An adhaesio notabilis est? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:49, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)
- All youths (except Jews and others judged undesirable) were required to join, but not all complied. The Edelweißpiraten, for example, "consisted of young people, mainly between the ages of 14 and 17, who had evaded the Hitler Youth by leaving school (which was allowed at 14)" (says the English wiki). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:00, 1 Ianuarii 2023 (UTC)