Disputatio:Ius

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Etymologia[fontem recensere]

Re "Ius venit a prisca forma *de-uis vel *de-ois. Ius est quod est contra vires, contra iram."—Is that a folk-etymology? According to The American Heritage Dictionary of Indo-European Roots, 2nd ed., ed. Calvert Watkins (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2000), Latin ius reflects the Proto-Indo-European root yewes-, not any de-uis or de-ois, and it seems to have nothing to do with being "contra vires, contra iram." IacobusAmor 14:11, 18 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

They sound like ancient etymologies, but cursory googling doesn't turn up any original source. So I added that little disclaimer. If those are genuine ancient, or even medieval etymologies, they are worth keeping, but labled for what they are. The real etymology can easily be included. If I get a chance I'll check Isidore of Seville. --Iustinus 17:08, 18 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)
I can't find anything in Isidore... check QUid differunt inter se ius, lex, et mores... I figured it would be there.--Ioshus (disp) 18:04, 18 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Iuris vs. Juris[fontem recensere]

Hello, i have a question regarding the academic grade "Dr. jur." / "Dr. iur.". Which one is the correct version? Thanks --141.53.209.145 19:28, 25 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Either is correct: it depends on whether you use the letter i both as vowel and consonant, or whether you use i for the vowel and j for the consonant. This is optional in Latin. On Vicipaedia, our rule is to use i for both vowel and consonant, so our standard spelling for this would be Dr. iur. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:49, 25 Martii 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation! --141.53.209.145 20:49, 3 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Scholarship on Ius[fontem recensere]

Based on my reading at A concise dictionary of greek and roman antiquities, it seems that this article's treatment of ius does not do justice :) to the meaning of the concept to the ancient romans. From what I read, ius means right in the sense of a power granted to a man to perform certain actions in a society, a social principle, a liberty, and in the sense of a general obligation of respect between men. The ajudication of these rights by judges often relied in a way on unwritten traditions and standards which correspond to what today we call common law. These rights when codified (written down) are called Leges. The main distinction that the romans made was between ius (obligation between men) and fas (obligation to the gods).--Rafaelgarcia 23:31, 25 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like we need a good 4 pages to do it justice =] --Ioscius (disp) 00:17, 26 Novembris 2007 (UTC)