Disputatio:Linguae Italicae

Titulus et lemma

By reverting to the title & phrasing that I was steering away from (in the article Italica linguarum subfamilia), someone has reinstated the problem of the original. Its first sentence now reads:

The Italian languages establish a subfamily or division of the family of Indoeuropean languages.

By inserting a term for "subfamily" into the title and the lemma, I was trying to minimize the problem caused by the fact that the overwhelming (universal?) use of Italicus in Vicipaedia is to mean 'Italian', not 'Italic'. That Italicus = 'Italian' is the default that the new word in the lemma was trying to nudge the reader away from. Also, I was trying to make the text in Vicipaedia match the text in the English Wikipedia:

The Italic subfamily is a member of the Indo-European language family.

(The curiosity of constituunt is a less important issue.) IacobusAmor 14:48, 12 Novembris 2009 (UTC)

I accept your thanks for carefully merging the new article you created with the existing article you marked for deletion.

The problem over Italica(e) can't be solved by moving this one article. It needs wider discussion. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:05, 12 Novembris 2009 (UTC)

You all might want to look at the discussion at Disputatio:Lingua Italica.--Rafaelgarcia 15:09, 12 Novembris 2009 (UTC)

Please "move" don't "create separate page and put delenda on old page"

Putting aside for the moment what the right name of the page should be and what the lemma should be, creating a new page and then asking for the former page to be deleted isn't the way to go about things. The way to do it is to "move" the page to the "new name" by clicking "movere".

If you create another page and then ask the previous one to be deleted, you create a situation and a lot of unnecessary work for the admins. For example, we want to preserve the history of the page so that user contributions are recorded. If, however, the admins want to preserve the history of the page, they will have to delete the new page and move the old page to the new page name. Furthermore, if the old page has any discussions on its disputatio (thankfully not the case here) then the admins will have to contribute together the separate discussions or at least move the old discussions over.

All these difficulties are avoided altogether by "moving" the page and not creating a separate new one.--Rafaelgarcia 15:09, 12 Novembris 2009 (UTC)