Disputatio:Stephanus Thomae filius

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Stephanus Thomae[1] is how he referred to himself. His name in Bosnian, Stjepan Tomašević, means "Stephen son of Thomas". Is it OK to call him "Stephanus Thomae"? As for tyrannus/despotus, the actual title seems to have been despotus.[2] Amsal 20:15, 12 Iulii 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

According to the text, both the subject of the article and his father were Thomas's Stephen, so I added "I" and "II." If he really called himself a despot, that's fine, and maybe you'd like to add an article on that topic. In Greek, it's despotes. IacobusAmor 00:26, 13 Iulii 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Despotus" looks to me like an error in that source, unless somehow it was standard in medieval Bosnia. The term also occurs in some neighbouring countries; late Byzantine Empire, medieval Epirus, etc. The usual Latin forms are "despotes" or "despota", 1st declension like "nauta". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:39, 13 Iulii 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Only his father was named Stjepan Tomaš. The son's name was Stjepan Tomašev. In Latin, the father is obviously Stephanus Thomas, while the son called himself Stephanus Thomae. If that is not clear enough, I propose moving the article back to Stephanus Tomašević, as he never used an ordinal. How about changing the lead sentence to "Stephanus Thomae (Bosnice: Stjepan Tomašević) fuit ultimus Bosniae rex. Stephanus Thomas rex Bosniae et Voiacsicza erant parentes eius"? That way there would be no confusion between Stephanus Thomae and "Stephani Thomae".

If despotes is more correct, we should use that; sources seem to use both (though despotus is much more common[3][4]). Amsal 10:03, 13 Iulii 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK now? + The order of the information given in the original text implied that he became despot while his father was alive; was that right? Add the year he became despot? IacobusAmor 11:41, 13 Iulii 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great! Yes, he became despot of Serbia during his father's lifetime, as he inherited the Serbian crown from his father-in-law. He became despot upon his marriage to the eldest daughter of the previous despot, i.e. in April 1459. Amsal 12:28, 13 Iulii 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]