Disputatio:Vielun

Velun - It city (pl:Wieluń) (en:Wieluń) Velumensis Terra - it in kind of administrative (pl:ziemia wieluńska) (en: Land of Wieluń) I prescribe change of title on Velun Stefan.p21 22:00, 17 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this should be the administrative area (Graesse, the author of the source, does not specify it as a city). But where do you get indeclinable Velun from? We could move to Velumensis Urbs if need be. Harrissimo 22:37, 17 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC).[reply]

source (not strong) CIVITAS VELUN:

http://www.um.wielun.pl/graph/media/30e.jpg Seal of city try

VELUM ??:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_%C5%82aci%C5%84skich_nazw_miejscowych#Polska_.28Polonia.29

Wieluń probably VELUN (in latin) 212.87.229.18 23:37, 17 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Velumensis terra would indicate a town name like Velumum or Veluma, I think. --Alex1011 08:27, 18 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Diplomatic code Great Poland ". It is concluding quite a lot of concerning Wieluń documents. I am not a mediaevalist, but provided I am knowledgeable WIELEŃ is appearing rather under the Latin Velem name, (with time of also Velim, Wilem, Welen); and WIELUŃ under Velun (if necessary Welun).212.87.229.18 14:19, 21 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Velumensis Terra is not a city name but it's some kind of administrative district. By the way administrative district of Wieluń should be named Velunensis Terra. Velun (Welun) is a latin name of the city Wieluń. "CODEX DIPLOMATICUS MAIORIS POLONIAE" gives you few examples with a names Velun, Welun they are about city Wieluń I've no doubt of this. "CODEX DIPLOMATICUS MAIORIS POLONIAE", diplomata nr 760 (Wladislaus dux regni Polonie 1297 Ian. 18, Kalis): comite Lexicone castellano de Velun; nr 777 (Wladislaus dux regni Polonie etc. 1298 Mart. 7, Kalis): comite Lexicone castellano de Welun; nr 806 (Wladizlaus dux regni Polonie etc. 1299 Febr. 24, in Vartha): Lexitone castellano Velunensi, Iascone advocato nostro Velunensi; nr 1354 (Kazimirus rex Polonie etc. 1357 Mart. 1, Cracovie): Item in terra Velunensi: Sencza, Raduienice, Lyssovicy, duas sortes in villa nostra Bobrovniky, Kamona, Kadlub, Gana, Broza, Zalancz et Vydrzyno. Is it enough, or do you need more?

or Vielun, source: http://www.library.ucla.edu/yrl/reference/maps/blaeu/polonia.jpg

"Dictionary of Polish Cities" - http://www.wiw.pl/geografia/miasta/termin.asp?et=m_00799 VELUN