Disputatio:Liuvigildus (rex Visigothorum)

In the texts of Isidore of Seville this king is called Liuvigildus or Leovigildus, being Liovigildus a later medieval form. I guess, therefore, that it would be more accurate to move this page to Liuvigildus, rex Visigothorum for the sake of a closer historical accuracy --Medievalista 17:49, 3 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since we do not have a page Liovigildus, we could call this page simply Liovigildus, I think. --Rolandus 14:50, 25 Novembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that if all the kings of the other kingdoms have a page with their name and their kingdom (Philippus II Hispaniae Rex, Carolus I Angliae Rex) it would fit to have the Visigothic kings also saying that they were kings of the Visigoths. [--Medievalista]

I have not thought much about this question before, so I might be wrong, but I'd prefer short page titles for convenience. I see that the titles here are longer than in the German WP for example, where (seemingly) the idea is to have the shortest possible title and a term in brackets for disambiguation: Elisabeth I. (England), Elisabeth I. (Russland), ... If we use a longer title, an author might not guess the exact title of a page he wants to link: Elizabeth I Angliae Regina; Elizabeth I Angliae regina; Elizabeth I, regina Angliae; Elizabeth I Tudor, Elizabeth I, Regina Angliae et Hiberniae; ... I just mean the title of the page (which is linked), not the bold title at the beginning of a page. This bold title should be Elizabeth I Angliae Regina for example. At least we should provide redirects for the "short" names. The user should find a page, when he enters Liovigildus and when we have something about "Liovigildus, rex Visigothorum". --Rolandus 00:54, 26 Novembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. Should then be a "reconversion" of kings' pages and make them shorter? we could have a "Philippus II" page in which you could choose if you were referring to Philip II of France - Philippus II (Francogallia), Philip II of Macedon- Philippus II (Macedonia) or Philip II of Spain - Philippus II (Hispania). --Medievalista 12:49, 26 Novembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this would be a very clear concept. We could manage variations of names/titles with redirects. However, the system will work with long names as well, so it is more a matter of taste. It would be easy to rename/move all these pages, because it is just a mouse click but at least some users should support this conversion. --Rolandus 13:04, 26 Novembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]

what shall we do then? --Medievalista 17:24, 26 Novembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say you do as you like until we have a solution. I'll post a note in the Taberna. --Rolandus 00:40, 27 Novembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I guess that in the long run most Latin or latinised personal names will have to be disambiguated - more so, since the Latin name forms often coincide when the colloquial forms don't. (Kings called Karl, Karoly, Charles, or Carlos all should be found under 'Carolus' here.) Therefore, we could as well start by using standardised long forms for all person articles, together with disambiguation pages from the short first names. However, I do not think it is equally necessary to fix the disambiguation format. It is possible that e.g. for some rather common royal names (like Carolus), in the end we will have one disambiguation page Carolus, where you will not find all the Charlses, but instead references to several types of intermediate pages (Carolus I, Carolus II,... but also Carolus (Suecia), Carolus (Anglia), et cetera. This may be fixed as needs arise; right now one disambiguation page for all Caroli and one for all Philippi should do, IMO.

However, I personnaly think that the explication of the name should be at a page with a longer name. I notice that now the article Carolus refers to the name itself; the disambiguation page is Carolus (discretiva). Many users will want to use a disambiguation page to find some Carolus rapidly; few will search for the meaning of the name in the first place. E.g. Carolus (nomen) would be good for the name.--JoergenB 21:12, 28 Novembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See Vicipaedia:Taberna/Tabularium 4#Tituli Regum for a further comment ... Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:30, 16 Decembris 2006 (UTC)[reply]