Disputatio Usoris:Rolandus

Vide etiam Disputatio Usoris:Rolandus/2005-12.

Ioannes and Ioannes (nomen)

What about moving the homines-section from the page Ioannes (nomen) to the discretiva page? We could write the translations of the name and all its variations on the ...(nomen) page and list all "homines" on the discretiva page. (oder sollte das eigentlich schon so gemacht werden, bei Iustinus (nomen) und Iustinus sieht das ja so aus?) ich geh jetzt erstmal schlafen, muss um 5 Uhr wieder aufstehen... --Amphitrite 21:52, 19 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

I read this discussion some time ago and after reading it a second time today, I decided to stay away from all these name-pages, until someone else will find a solution ;-). But actually I like your proposal of having only one main page and all other pages being redirected to this page.

(for example we have at the moment

• Ioannes

with a link to Ioannes (nomen) and a link to Iohannes

with a list of "homines"

• Ioannes (nomen)

with a link to Ioannes

with translations of the name into other languages

with a list of "homines"

• Iohannes

with a list of "homines"

with a link to Ioannes

• Johann,a redirect to Iohannes
• Johannes, a redirect to Iohannes
• Sean, a redirect to Ioannes

and maybe one main page would make it less complicated)

--Amphitrite 18:32, 20 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

New formulas

I just wanted to say that I like the current designs. We sometimes go overboard with borders, flashing lights, etc. These two formulas (non latine and non stipula) look neat, practical and official! Andrew Dalby 13:06, 21 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Then take no notice of me -- just do what comes naturally! Andrew Dalby 19:59, 21 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

I like the wider margin. Andrew Dalby 19:55, 22 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

usor:82.55.85.101

Vielleicht wollte er ja auch nur den Artikel loben ;-) -Amphitrite 21:22, 26 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!!!!

Thank you so much for what you wrote me. I suppose I was quite rude while saying what I said, and I forgot you have too many work to do here. Sorry!!! :'(. From now on, I'll use that template almost every time.--Le K-li 22:14, 27 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Sorry!!!

Sorry!!! I didn't want to do anything wrong. Well, I guess I'd have to create that new template.--Le K-li 23:53, 27 Februarii 2007 (UTC)

Periodicum?

Cur "periodicum" in pagina de Kalendis Aprilibus? --Alex1011 14:39, 3 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Please

could you check my Latin in Ernestus Kantorowicz, because I added a lot of things. Thank you--Massimo Macconi 20:18, 5 Martii 2007 (UTC)

thank you very much

I asked you, because I saw that you were inserting the formulas about the level of Latin used in the pages. Ciao e grazie--Massimo Macconi 21:11, 5 Martii 2007 (UTC)

conservapedia

Tuum exemplum mihi delendum esse videtur quia interea haec pagina in conservapedia elaborata est. Etiam in nostra vicipaedia nonnullae paginae sunt quae primum breviores sunt antequam amplius elaborabuntur. --Alex1011 19:47, 6 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Salve!

Any recommendations on what I should do? Shall I join again with another username? I could do that. Amphytrite 04:52, 8 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the resources list! It helped a lot. Hopefully this name won't create as much confusion! Agriope 00:10, 9 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Latinitas

I just noticed your -7s on some Russian towns. Actually I think the Latin in these articles was quite good (as good as my average, anyway). I adjusted the mark. OK? Andrew Dalby 21:28, 8 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I understand now! Fine. Andrew Dalby 11:03, 9 Martii 2007 (UTC)

My feeling about TUGS is that it just isn't Latin (although, by random chance, some of the individual words are Latin!) So I put {{Non latine}} in place of Latinitas: maxcorrigenda. Revert me if you disagree. Andrew Dalby 14:09, 12 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Latinitas:pessima! I have added it to TUGS now. Andrew Dalby 12:35, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Nexus carentes

Hab' ich schon gesehen, aber da ich nur in der deutschen Wikipedia suche, weiß ich auch nicht, ob es wirklich keine Interwikilinks gibt ;-) Aber ich denke, dass vor allem viele unserer Namensartikel in eine solche Kategorie fallen würden...--Amphitrite 12:47, 11 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Nice selection of pics on physica electromagnetica

Dear Rolandus, thanks for the nice pics you posted on "Physica electromagnetica" and also about the advice on logging in which I will try out.Rafaelgarcia 00:52, 25 Martii 2007 (UTC)

If I close firefox, then reopen it and then go to my usor page, it indicates I'm logged in but I am not, even if I previously cliked "Tesseram meam inter conventa memento". If then I click on "Conventum concludere" and then "Conventum aperire" I have to reenter the first letter of my name, it autofills the rest and fills in my password, and then I'm actually logged in to Vicipaedia. Rather unnecessarily involved!Rafaelgarcia 03:09, 25 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Formula:Comitatus Angliae

Quod problemam habes de hac formula? --Alex1011 10:01, 25 Martii 2007 (UTC)

Zacynthus

I deleted a discretiva page you made a while back. I hope you don't mind. In reality Zacynthus the place in Ionia and Zacynthus the Ionian island are the same, and I don't think they will ever want two separate articles -- but if you disagree I'll bring it back!

Incidentally, I notice you are bringing to light lots of Dubcats and Nexus carentes right now. Very necessary work. Andrew Dalby 21:47, 1 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Rursus salve!

Okay, this is probably going to sound weird, so I'll explain first. I'm taking an Advanced Grammar and Comp course, and our final exam is to write a Vikipædia article and put it on here. In part I wanted to warn you that twelve really random articles about things like tennis and biology are going to (or should, anyway) pop up fully written around the beginning of May. Here's what I'm wondering: do you guys mind this? Would you rather the articles start small and grow slowly (I imagine that would be easier for grammar)? We don't really have a choice in this matter, but I'd like to know when I make new articles in the future. Thanks! Agriope 03:47, 12 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

We only mind if you call it Vikipædia again... (noli uti k aut ligaturis). Other than that, we don't mind at all. Although, tenniludium and Biologia are already started... But I mean, as far as random goes... check out hangman, Magic 8 Ball, pesto, paper air plane, and Flying Spaghetti Monster. Randomness should not be your concern, but good Latin. Start with what you can manage in terms of size. Bear in mind, if you write a huge article, it might be harder to get someone to make corrections. I assure, for my part, that I will assist in any way you all need. Good luck!--Ioshus ^(disp) 04:10, 12 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Shoot, I almost forgot to add beer pong to the list of random articles =] --Ioshus ^(disp) 04:15, 12 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Of course, good Latin is always my first and foremost concern, whether I want it to be or not. They're writing on specific parts of biology and tennis as far as I know. I'm writing on a band called Say Anything--when I create the article, should I put the name in Latin (Dice Quivis)? Agriope 05:04, 12 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Well, we have the start of an article on Dies Viridis. ¶ Re: "Dice." You might want to recheck your paradigm. ::winkwink:: IacobusAmor 02:47, 13 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, a couple of things there. Proper imperative of dicere is dic. And as far as quivis it should be quidvis or maybe better quodlibet but certainly better aliquid. "Anything" and "whatever" are close, but not equivalent.--Ioshus ^(disp) 03:42, 13 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Quivis is stated in our book to be used for deliberate choice while quilibet expresses blind choice. Did you mean to say either of them would be a better choice than aliquid, or that aliquid would be the better option? Agriope 03:08, 14 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

I think aliquid is best...--Ioshus ^(disp) 06:18, 14 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks guys--I'll probably be asking lots more weird questions as I get close to finishing my article. Agriope 00:00, 13 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Ha! Nothing in any wiki is ever "finished" ! IacobusAmor 02:44, 13 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Lord knows that's the truth! Just check out Scacchi...featured article, yet, SOOO much work to do...--Ioshus ^(disp) 03:42, 13 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

An editor's work is never done. I'm still learning that one! Agriope 03:08, 14 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

Declinatio "asteroidae" sive "asteroidis"

Scire velim, amabo, quae sit opinio tua de declinatione vocabuli “asteroides”. Vide et commentare, sis, quod scripsi hac de re in pagina Disputatio:Asteroides#Declination. Vale, --Fabullus 15:19, 22 Maii 2007 (UTC)

deletion

Hi Rolandus,

could you please delete the userpage that has been nominated by me (see [1] )? It contains personal information and is an insult in german. Please also block the account. Thanks a lot. (I dont mention the page here directly, as that would be duplication of the insult etc, thanks for the understanding) Effeietsanders 09:31, 27 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Emendationes tuae recentissimae

Non video quid emendaveris in paginis Thomas Morus, Tinti, Trachea, Urbanus VII et Teresia Lexoviensis. Nullam differentiam observare possum. --Fabullus 22:32, 27 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Hae mutationes sunt tam subtiles ut non cadant sub oculos. Exempli gratia, in pagina "Urbanus VII," Rolandus "MDXC]] )" ad "MDXC]])" mutavit. IacobusAmor 00:37, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Yes, in these cases I have just removed blanks before closing brackets which I think are typographically not correct. There is a page Vicipaedia:Dump/latest, which has a special section for this constellation: "Blank_before_closing_bracket". I create this list automatically from the periodical database dumps. Superfluous blanks are a minor problem but sometimes they are good indicators for other problems a page could have. --Rolandus 06:54, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both. I didn't mean to criticise you, I just really didn't notice the changes. If you change a letter the difference is shown in red, but if you change a blank, there is nothing to print in red, I guess. Best wishes, --Fabullus 07:06, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Backlinks

(comment on your user page) It's a very interesting point. But I often check for backlinks on other Wikipedias and add them myself if they are missing -- maybe you do too. No problem, but by doing this I might spoil your statistics! Andrew Dalby 08:30, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would be useful to see that dump of English backlinks. Andrew Dalby 09:54, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that sounds like hard work. I don't want to give you work, Rolande! It's your choice. Andrew Dalby 10:12, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, those new files.

In the file Usor:Rolandus/temp/Interwiki_links_from_en_to_la, a redlink means (a) there's a special character that didn't work properly: well, never mind that; or (b) there's an interwiki link somewhere on English Wikipedia that leads to a nonexistent Latin page. For example, the redlink Papilio means that at en:Butterfly there's a link [[la:Papilio]] but no Latin article. Andrew Dalby 14:09, 29 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Vicipaedia

Yes, I removed the two paragraphs intentionally as clean-up after incorporating the points in the portion I rewrote. But feel free to restore them if you want! Montivagus 20:40, 28 Maii 2007 (UTC)

Danke

für deine Erklärung. Es ist jetzt mir klar. Ciao Massimo

für die Auskunft über Whitaker. Meine Frage war nicht rhetorisch - jedenfalls nicht ganz. --Neander 21:03, 9 Iunii 2007 (UTC)

Danke

Ich hoffe, dass ich als Verwalter behilflich sein kann. Ciao--Massimo Macconi 07:59, 10 Iunii 2007 (UTC)

Aber sicher! :-) By the way, "Verwalter" is a very nice word for "Adminstrator" (which is used in the German Wikipedia). --Rolandus 08:15, 10 Iunii 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the Ido template, Roland!

Praenomina

Hallo, ich suche die Übersetzung für Namen: Armand, Gaëtan, Fernand, Aristide und Lionel. Some users haben mir gesagt, dass du mir helfen kann. -- Thoma D. 16:25, 4 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

So I suppose you can add in you list from the page Index nominum those first names: Caietanus,Aristides, Leonellus, Armandus. -- Thoma D. 06:42, 5 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Done ... but it is not my list. ;-) Feel free to edit it. --Rolandus 12:45, 8 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

{{Finnia}}?

Hi, Rolande! I need some help. I'm currently spending a lot of time on Finnish Geography articles but I don't know how to make a formula. Can only Magistrati do it? I have the following formula: ↓VOILA!↓

Danke schön, mein freund. --Harrissimo 23:21, 6 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Creating formulas is not difficult, every user can make and edit them. You have only to put your above formula in the formula-namespace, for example on the page Formula:Finnia (btw the plural of magistratus is magistratūs ;-)) --Amphitrite 12:14, 7 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced place names

Salve Rolande! Being a bit of an expert in this sort of thing, I thought you might want to look at the discussion in the Taberna about how to handle an unsourced place name and if we should include non-latin letters or not. Do we already have a policy on this? --Harrissimo 22:41, 17 Iulii 2007 (UTC)

Rolande?

it's the first

time I do it. I had no idea. Could I increase the period? Ciao--Massimo Macconi 17:22, 3 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

there's a problem with my discussion page

there's a problem with my discussion page I can't see it anymore. Does it depend from vandalism? Thank you for your help?--Massimo Macconi 21:24, 3 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

Ciao, Massimo. Il stesso problema è con molte discussioni. Non sapiamo perché, è un "glitch" . . . Credo che UV Rolando ha domandato i tecnichi, e speramo che tutti saranno bene domani . . . --Ioscius ^(disp) 21:36, 3 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the assistance with the category, Rolande. Now how do we make this category a subset of the category of (all) university alumni? IacobusAmor 13:32, 5 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

Categoria:Biographia

There are so many names, it would be helpful if, to find a name near the bottom, we didn't have to scroll down through the whole list. Could names starting with any given letter be keyed to a list of letters at the top of the first page of the list?—and eventually a broken-down list of letters, as in Aa–Al, Am–Az, Ba–Be, Bh–Bo, Br–Bz (or whatever)? IacobusAmor 13:47, 5 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

It has actually been said (by UV and others I think) that Categoria:Biographia was intended for articles about biography, not for biographies of people. Most people don't add biographical articles to this category. When I'm editing a biographical article I normally remove this category if I have another to substitute, such as years of birth and death. Similarly with Categoria:Homines. I don't see any use in them, personally. Andrew Dalby 14:37, 5 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

The dump

Just in case there's something you can do about this ... The sections no-cat and stub-but-no-cat are larger than they need to be, because in many cases the page does have a category assigned by a formula (e.g. {{Praefecturae Franciae}}). The listing would be even more helpful if it could manage to exclude such cases. Andrew Dalby 15:04, 7 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

A and B

A: Hi, Rolande. Thanks for finding the WSJ article (link on your user page)! I had looked, but for some reason I hadn't been able to track it down.

B: There was discussion over at Disputatio Vicipaediae:Latinitas. I notice you didn't step in -- maybe you were letting it cool off. As you see, there was doubt about the various positive Latinitas levels, though the negative ones seem accepted as very useful. Well, I was wondering whether to experiment with L 1: first to make it show a small tick at the right-hand corner instead of a line of text across the page (I think I can do that); second, to make it produce one category instead of two. But I have held off, because surely there is a reason why they all produce two categories (Latinitas +1 and L +1); it's just that I haven't seen what the reason is. Also because it's a well-built system and I am frightened of changing something and spoiling what I don't understand. And thirdly because I'm wondering what you think about it! Anyway, let me know if you're around. Andrew Dalby 07:58, 18 Augusti 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see you

Ave, Rolande! Drop in here if you have a spare moment ... Andrew Dalby 13:54, 29 Septembris 2007 (UTC)

I noticed your reappearance around Christmas, Rolande, though I myself wasn't able to contribute much at that time. Glad to see you back, and happy New Year! Andrew Dalby 15:04, 1 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Germania et Portal:Francia

Da ich gerade keine Lust zum übersetzen habe, wollte ich kurz auf deutsch fragen, ob wir nicht obengenannte Portale (lateinisches Wort?) gründen könnten. Eigentlich müsste, was in anderen Wikipediae geht, hier auch gehen. Mit Berolina als mittlerweile ausgezeichneten Artikel ließe sich ein nettes Portal machen. Ich würde mich wohl um die Zusammenstellung der Artikel kümmern, bräuchte dich aber für die Grafik. mfgVulpinus 17:56, 29 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the long delay ... I am not active at the moment. I hope you got an answer to your question. We have a Porta:Finnia, but I do not know whether we had a discussion before this portal has been created. If you need help, it is always a good idea to ask in the Taberna. --Rolandus 19:54, 29 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Benutzernamen ändern

Hallo Roland, weißt du zufällig, wie man in der lateinischen Wikipedia seinen Benutzernamen ändern kann? Freundliche Grüße --Franck 15:30, 4 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Salve, Rolande!

Thank you for your helpful advice!

Ahib 18:00, 16 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Minor formatting things

Salve, Rolande! If you are going to leave a picture without a description, it is best to put {{Imago sine descriptione}} where the thumb text would be and also it's important to tag those short pages you're making as urbs-stipulas. Vale! Harrissimo 21:06, 26 Februarii 2008 (UTC).

On a Latin encyclopaedia where there are no native speakers present, I see many more reasons to keep these formulas - but I don't want to start ranting. Harrissimo 22:21, 26 Februarii 2008 (UTC).

I think as the Vicipaedia:Pagina#Commendationes pro paginis bonis does:

• Don't create non-stubs! Better no article than a one-sentence stub.

Rationale: Non-stubs that consist only of a sentence are a nuisance rather than a real contribution. Latin Wikipedia has far fewer users than the English Version for example, which is why our users have a correspondingly bigger responsibility for what they are contributing. Ask yourself: if not even you are interested enough to write an at least somewhat decent article about it, why should anyone else bother to do so?

However, if you do create a very short article, at least add the boilerplate text {{stipula}} so that others are pointed to it. (boldness added by me)

I believe that having a stub template is important to point out which articles need expansion if somebody comes along interested in ameliorating a certain subject at Vicipaedia, that they could be useful for a random page generator, that it may dissuade people to write such pages in the first place, that it fits in with our criteria for the basis of a good page (cf. VP:HP). The ugly issue seems to fit in with how they were thinking on en.wiki when they started all those horrible orange-sided source templates which you can see at most articles over there. And since we are still a small edition of Wikipedia, I think it is important to mark our stubs out (that is to say all stubs, even if it makes up the majority of our pages). If we lost the stub template, I fear nobody would have access to the pages which need work in the future if we are to become a good quality and reliable encyclopaedia and it would seem like we are not discouraging short articles (which I certainly hope we are!). As you said "Our situation is different from the English or German Wikipedia where some of the users are fanatically trying to create the better Britannica or the better Brockhaus.". But that will not stop me trying to strive perfection ;) Harrissimo 23:09, 26 Februarii 2008 (UTC).

You are right. But ... ;-)

Yes, it is written Don't create non-stubs! Better no article than a one-sentence stub but on the talk page I write I think we should appreciate stubs as long as they have an interwiki link and I give some reasons. I know that most people - especially in other Wikipedias - think that stubs are bad. However, since in this Wikipedia there are several people with exotic ideas and opinions, I put the exotic idea of loving stubs up for discussion. I really think we should appreciate stubs. This sounds strange and although some people agreed - at least partly - we all were to lazy to change the written rules. This often happens here and I think this is not bad. If the community decides to appreciate stubs, it will happen, regardless whether it is written or not. The common sense is more important than what is written and might be outdated. I will not ignore that rule, especially if you think it is a good rule, but I take the chance to ask again to think about this rule. Really, it sounds bad, but stubs could be good, especially for small Wikipedias like us. I think the rule we have now has simply been copied from the English Wikipedia to the Vicipedia. Mostly it is good for us to follow the rules from the English Wikipedia, in this case I do not think so.

The argument that people should be able to find short articles, is correct as well. However, is it so hard to find short articles? I think here it is harder to find an article which is not short, so I tried to establish the marking of articles which are not short. ;-)

But I see a possible solution which could fit for you and me: If we designed the stub-formulas less eye-catching (e. g. smaller and maybe left aligned or even invisible or another small button or ...) I would be less annoyed by their uglyness (from my point of view) and you would be happy about the possibility to find the short pages via the categories? What about that? :-)

Even if nothing will be changed I can live with these ugly stub formulas. ;-) Ceterum censeo: We should think about appreciating stubs ... --Rolandus 20:13, 28 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Toning them down a little sounds good. It would be a big job though... Harrissimo 20:28, 28 Februarii 2008 (UTC).

I guess one possibility would be to make the stipula boxes disappear (I mean: format them in such a way that they aren't visible) while retaining the stipula categories. In that way, it would still be possible to find the shortest articles in particular subject areas, if people want to work on those. Andrew Dalby 20:41, 28 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Changing the layout would be easy, since most (all?) templates are based on a master template. There have been some proposals how to change the templates but nothing has been put into practice. I think it would be good, if we could make our stubs look nice. Because we have so many of them ;-) However, maybe someone likes this centered bold layout? --Rolandus 21:02, 28 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

I made a test on page Botanica: left-aligned, no border, smaller image, clear=all. --Rolandus 22:02, 28 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Which I condensed further at Photosynthesis. Harrissimo 22:16, 28 Februarii 2008 (UTC).

Not bad :-) --Rolandus 22:19, 28 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

I like these. They are nice and discreet. And their positioning is similar to that of {{Dubcat}} and {{Nexus desiderati}}, which likewise indicate that an article needs completing. Andrew Dalby 19:01, 29 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I like them much better than the present ones. --UV 20:43, 29 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Locus felix

Hallo Roland!

Bei deinen Ortsnamen verwendest du häufig Genetive (die ja auch Lokative sein können). Wahrscheinlich haben deine Quellen einfach das Wort so, wie es irgendwo erscheint, verwendet ohne zu prüfen, in welchem grammatikalischen Fall der Name genannt wird. Loco- und Lacufelicis erscheinen mir jedenfalls äußerst suspekt. --Alex1011 22:29, 26 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Mir ist es auch etwas suspekt, aber das ist in den angegebenen Quellen (Tabellen) so angegeben, also nicht von mir aus dem Zusammenhang gerissen. Daß die Quellen selbst suspekt sind, könnte sein. Streich es einfach weg, wenn Du denkst, es paßt nicht. --Rolandus 22:36, 26 Februarii 2008 (UTC)

Urbes Austriacae

You can use <ref name="siedlungen"/> for that same site now. Harrissimo 16:07, 1 Martii 2008 (UTC).

Redundancy can be avoided if there is an Index urbium Austriae with just, say, the largest 10 cities listed on the page Austria. What do you think? Harrissimo 16:23, 1 Martii 2008 (UTC).

Tom R

Rolande, I'm sorry to be hasty, but I have deleted "Tom R". Looking at the supposed titles of his works, it was clearly a joke, and probably about a real person. Andrew Dalby 20:50, 7 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Tom R is not a real name, but the article is claimed to be about a real person. Why would you want to restore it to that title? I don't understand.

Still, I'm not stopping you. But, if you restore it, you'd better read it carefully and think about the rules for biographies of living persons. The next person who reads it may be the subject! Andrew Dalby 21:53, 7 Martii 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've just checked and -- to my surprise! -- the book titles are correct. So I'll restore the article and move it to Tom Rohn. Andrew Dalby 22:12, 7 Martii 2008 (UTC)

I did not want to argue for the article or against it, just wanted to inform the author about the proposal. :-) --Rolandus 22:47, 7 Martii 2008 (UTC)

The new list

As you probably know, some of the links we had made on the previous version of the page (copied from simple:wiki) don't appear on the new version. I expect you're working on this, so I won't do any editing. Robertus Schumann is one of several examples. Andrew Dalby 21:13, 9 Martii 2008 (UTC)

This is an example where http://simple.wikipedia.org (and en: too) do not have interwiki links to us. This has to be fixed by adding the interwiki links to http://simple.wikipedia.org (and maybe en: as well). The bots seem to be lazy ... ;-) --Rolandus 21:19, 9 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Well done on gathering these lists. Is there any way we could get one strong list merged from your ones and Vicipaedia:Paginae quas omnes Vicipaediae habeant? It could be potentially very useful at Vicipaedia:Collaboratio so I (and anyone else who may join) can see which pages need making. Hopefully it would also save you work translating the links from English-Latin or updating them. Harrissimo 23:34, 9 Martii 2008 (UTC).

There are three different approaches, each of them has its pros and cons:

• Updating the list Vicipaedia:Paginae quas omnes Vicipaediae habeant ... is not in sync with the list on simple: and does not have the same structure, sorting etc. Very hard job and I think the list has pages which are not in the "List of 1000" any more. A useful list, however, the provided translations are very useful.
• Creating redirects and simply copy the list from simple: over to us. This was my proposal. UV's requirement is, to categorize these links. Fine for me, but Mycēs does not like this, see [2].
• Using that generated list Usor:Rolandus/Most important 1000 pages which does not work perfectly, I mentioned the reasons there. These English redirects could help even here: I could guess what pages do not have interwiki links on simple:.

--Rolandus 06:36, 10 Martii 2008 (UTC)

I'll stay out of this one then. Maybe I'll make an "official" version of Most important 1000 pages if I get round to it. Harrissimo 17:40, 10 Martii 2008 (UTC).

Notice, when you have a moment, Constantinus I, Akbar Magnus and Aemilius Durkheim! Andrew Dalby 15:16, 12 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Marilyn Monroe and Birgitta Bardot. Andrew Dalby 20:22, 16 Martii 2008 (UTC)

And Arnaldus Daniel. Andrew Dalby 10:09, 17 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Ernestus Rutherford, Ioannes Baptista Iosephus Fourier, Donatello (all Massimo's I think). Andrew Dalby 13:29, 17 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ... and I got some from Ioscius. --Rolandus 18:10, 17 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Abu Nuwas. Andrew Dalby 13:22, 18 Martii 2008 (UTC)

thank you for your explanation

sorry but I have already directly inserted Lacus Victoria. Ciao--Massimo Macconi 11:39, 16 Martii 2008 (UTC)

...but i want to link to commons category. Gallery page is not exist. All wikipedias use {{Commonscat}}--88.247.182.141 13:03, 16 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, kind regards--88.247.182.141 13:10, 16 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Caribbean Sea

simple:Carribean Sea is a redirect (it's a mis-spelling). The real article is at simple:Caribbean, and we do have a corresponding article, at Mare Caribicum; this needs to be added to the list. Andrew Dalby 13:22, 25 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Butterfly --> Papilio

I added Butterfly --> Papilio to your list of existing pages. Is this what you want us to do? --Fabullus 20:16, 27 Martii 2008 (UTC)

Requests for updating the List2

Please give me a note, if you want me to run my script which updates the list on page Usor:Rolandus/List2. The name of the Latin page suffices, if the Latin page has an interwiki link to en:. And the interwiki link on en: should link back to the Latin page. So we can be sure that the pages correspond with each other. Thanks.

• Aratrum: Your other page told us to tell you on this page, but where on this page? IacobusAmor 11:34, 4 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

• Fossa: I have created a stipula Fossa to correspond to English en:Canal --Fabullus 21:19, 4 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

• Anima: en:Soul. ¶ Rolande, adsum quod pagina "Usor:Rolandus/Most important 1000 pages" me adhuc misit, praesertim nexus ad verbum "me" adfixus, in sententia "Instead, add existing pages to Usor:Rolandus/Existing pages and tell me." IacobusAmor 01:23, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

• Fossa Clysmatena: I have created a stipula Fossa Clysmatena to correspond to English en:Suez Canal --Fabullus 12:15, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

• Conservatismus = en:Conservatism. IacobusAmor 14:21, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Linter = en:Boat. IacobusAmor 15:27, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Glycine = en:Soybean. IacobusAmor 17:29, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Sorghum = en:Sorghum. IacobusAmor 17:46, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Reggae = en:Reggae. IacobusAmor 18:29, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Bellum Indosinense II = en:Vietnam War. IacobusAmor 18:58, 5 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Gulielmus Butler Yeats = en:William Butler Yeats. IacobusAmor 00:25, 6 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Buddhismus = en:Buddhism. IacobusAmor 15:01, 6 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Deitas = en:Deity. IacobusAmor 00:55, 8 Aprilis 2008 (UTC) + an extra for having been a "special" case ;-) ← Gratias! ;) IacobusAmor 14:50, 8 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Taoismus = en:Taoism. IacobusAmor 01:38, 8 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)+
• Anarchismus = en:Anarchism. IacobusAmor 14:50, 8 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Tempus lucem servans = en:Daylight saving time. ← Nomen Latinum fortasse malum. IacobusAmor 20:02, 8 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Zona temporalis = en:Time zone. IacobusAmor 20:02, 8 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Turbo = en:Tornado. IacobusAmor 21:35, 8 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Fratres Marx = en:Marx Brothers. Ta-da! IacobusAmor 01:42, 9 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Frida Kahlo = en:Frida Kahlo. IacobusAmor 02:03, 9 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Mare Mortuum = en:Dead Sea. IacobusAmor 03:26, 9 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Igor Theodori filius Stravinski‎ = en:Igor Fyodorovich Stravinsky. IacobusAmor 00:47, 10 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Cixi = en:Emperor Dowager Cixi. IacobusAmor 01:16, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Qin Shih Huang = en:Qin Shih Huang‎. IacobusAmor 02:27, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Ioannes Iulius Christianus Sibelius = en:Jean Sibelius. IacobusAmor 14:55, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Clavus = en:Screw. Sed vide disputationem in pagina Clavus. IacobusAmor 15:37, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Timotheus Ioannes Berners-Lee = en:Tim Berners-Lee. IacobusAmor 18:52, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Montes Saxosi = en:Rocky Mountains. IacobusAmor 20:17, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Siota Rustaveli = en:Shota Rustaveli. IacobusAmor 00:04, 13 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Axioma = en:Axiom. IacobusAmor 00:54, 13 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Vectis = es:Palanca = en:Lever.--Xaverius 10:38, 13 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Montes Saxosi = en:Rocky Mountains. --IacobusAmor 18:52, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Siota Rustaveli = en:Shota Rustaveli. --IacobusAmor 20:17, 12 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Axioma = en:Axiom. --IacobusAmor 00:54, 13 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Vectis --Xaverius 10:38, 13 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Aedificium Civitatis Imperialis = en:Empire State Building. IacobusAmor 12:50, 15 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Domus Tsingiana = en:Qing Dynasty. IacobusAmor 00:09, 16 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Musica Novi Aevi = en:New Age Music. IacobusAmor 03:43, 16 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Moles (agger) = en:Dam. --Fabullus 14:03, 17 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)
• Chalybs = en:Steel. --Fabullus 04:10, 22 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Matrimonium

At the moment, you're calling Matrimonium (sacramentum) the equivalent of en:Marriage. Even though a redirect then sends you to the right place, the title of your link is wrong. Probably some ardent Roman Catholic drafted the original article, implying that marriage was what the R.C. Church defined it to be—and then a different article, on marriage from a neutral point of view (though wrongly stated to be necessarily between a man & a woman), had to be written. These articles need coalescing, but I don't know how to do that. IacobusAmor 03:03, 10 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

That's right, however, concerning "the list", we do not have a problem: The English page (marriage) now links to a Latin page and the Latin target page links back to that English page (marriage). The list is just for identifying missing pages. The links might be "incorrect", sometimes, from a more general point of view. This redirect is no problem for the list. It will disappear when I use a new dump for analyzing the Latin pages (maybe in some days/weeks). It should only be checked, whether each of the 1000 pages has a corresponding Latin page and whether they are interlinked correctly. My list is only a helper and it is not a a problem if it uses old redirects. --Rolandus 05:06, 10 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

OK. Fair enough. We don't have a problem then—except with the religiously biased text itself. IacobusAmor 10:03, 10 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

List of 1000 pages

Rolandus, you may wish to look at the list of 1000 pages. It has been changed significantly. In fact, they now ask for special relativity and general relativity rather than Theory of relativity. Ack!...--Rafaelgarcia 23:28, 15 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

But hey, they've removed Voodoo, and that helps our score! IacobusAmor 23:43, 15 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint. However, I hope this change will not effect us much. At the moment I am checking against the pages which are used by the script (see m:List of Wikipedias by sample of articles/Source code). When the author updates his list and publishes the updated source of his script, I will check aigainst this updated list. We are comfortably below this magic 250 (missing pages), so I hope we will be listed on page m:List of Wikipedias by sample of articles/Absent Articles. As I suggested in the Taberna, we should put our pages into categories, like Categoria:1000 paginae, then I could use the content of this category to check against. We could also have a category Categoria:1000 paginae (pristinae) (or so ...) where we have our pages which should be listed as well, although they are not on this list on "meta" any more. Maybe UV's bot can help categorizing. And, most important, if we want to be on the save side, we just have to create a missing page in the Vicipaedia and put an interwiki link into the page on en:. Only this affects our rating. :-) --Rolandus 05:12, 16 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

An excellent idea to have our own list! Each wiki presents a unique interpretation of the world—so in addition to the articles that all wikis should have, each wiki might well feature subjects of particular interest. Latin would of course feature: (1) important political personages of ancient Rome (all kings, famous generals & politicians, and all emperors up to 476 in the West, and some up to 1453 in the East); (2) important personages (in all fields of endeavor) who interacted with them; (3) important Latin-using personages of other ages; (4) important Latin-speaking figures of the Christian church; (5) important literary figures who wrote in Latin (up to the present day); (6) important works written in Latin, in all ages; (7) mythological figures and other concepts salient in the Latin-speaking world; (8) special terms (e.g., philosophiae doctor). You may think of other categories. Where should we start making the list? (I'd start it on my own page, but I don't know how to set it up.) Probably the most prominent name on it, to judge by presumed hits, would be Julius Caesar, and one might expect Vicipaedia's article on him to be the fullest & best of such articles in all the wikis. (At the moment, it most definitely is not.) Are Vicipaedia's articles listed anywhere by the number of hits each has received from unique IP's? IacobusAmor 13:15, 16 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

There is a tool for measuring the traffic which certain pages create: Vicipaedia:Census#Wikipedia_article_traffic_statistics. You can either check a specific page or get the top pages.

Technically I see several strategies how we could produce such lists you mentioned above:

a) Categorizing the pages which should be included in a specific statistic

b) Creating lists of pages (in a simple format) which shall be used fro creating the statistics

c) We can mix these two methods

Examples:

• If you want to have a table of the "1000 most important pages" we have (including their size), you might put the existing pages into a category Categoria:1000 paginae or so and someone might make a script which compiles a table from all the pages which are in this category.
• If you want to have an (maybe ordered) List of the most important 50 Roman people, you might put such a list on your user page and someone might create a script which produces a table with these pages and their actual Latinitas-rating.
• If you want to have a list of missing pages and you want to discuss each page, it might be a good idea to create these pages as subpages (e. g. in your userspace) and categorize them. Then a script can produce a table from it.
• You might also want to have a script which compiles a table from several lists.

--Rolandus 19:19, 17 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

To Iacobus's groups above one might add (9) places that were important in Roman/ancient times. Andrew Dalby 07:21, 19 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Hoover Dam

I seem to recall that somewhere on one of your pages en:Hoover Dam was also listed as missing a Latin counterpart, but now I am unable to find the reference, although the Latin article does not seem to have been created yet. I propose Moles Hooveriana which I plan to add shortly. Vale, --Fabullus 14:07, 17 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

This m:List of articles every Wikipedia should have is a moving target. Actually I am checking against the list of this script: m:List of Wikipedias by sample of articles/Source code. Page en:Hoover Dam might have been on the list from simple:. But it cannot do any harm to create a page for en:Hoover Dam. ;-) Thanks! --Rolandus 19:02, 17 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Re List2: Aegyptus Antiqua

Hoc creavi. Leigh ^(disp) 16:26, 19 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Thanks --Rolandus 17:40, 19 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Hoc quoque. Leigh ^(disp) 23:52, 23 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Armenia

FYI: Somebody anonymous is doing a great job in boosting Armenia above 30,000 octets. Too bad it isn't on the list of 1000 pages! (Come to think of it, why isn't it? It's had a long history, occupies a strategic location, has produced a respectable body of literature, and supposedly was the world's first Christian country.) IacobusAmor 12:35, 23 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

I fear, on m:Talk:List of articles every Wikipedia should have they have the challenge to reduce the number of articles. ;-) --Rolandus 18:01, 23 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

I know, I know. I've given some advice at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_articles_every_Wikipedia_should_have#Composers_and_musicians. In all the sublists, the boldfaced articles are probably secure, and those are therefore the ones we should concentrate on. IacobusAmor 18:54, 23 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Summus Pontifex

Rolande, I never thought I would do such a thing, but I reverted you at Summus Pontifex. Please forgive me. It seemed to me that the link to Pontifex Maximus which you added was not useful because pontifex maximus is a discretiva page leading to the same ultimate pages. So to go to pontifex maximus, rather than the other linked pages, would just waste the reader's time.

But I've had quite enough of summus pontifex now; everyone seems to have views about this page! I will leave it alone, and if you feel you want to revert back again, I won't mind at all :) Andrew Dalby 12:49, 26 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Size matters

Do you want to be told if we significantly enlarge a page from the list of 1000? I have added text to (and renamed) Goffredus Chaucer, now Galfridus Chaucer. Andrew Dalby 20:53, 27 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Good work, but even so, it's got only 4849 octets, and the magic barriers are 10,000 and 30,000!!! IacobusAmor 21:06, 27 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

Oh. OK then. I'll stick at it. Andrew Dalby 09:03, 28 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

I think it's above 10,000 now. I'll move on to the next ... Andrew Dalby 14:28, 29 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

At the moment I take the pages from the latest dump from these directories: http://download.wikipedia.org/lawiki/, so the next dump will be available in 2 or 4 weeks. You can watch the dumps being produced: http://download.wikipedia.org/backup-index.html ;-) --Rolandus 21:24, 27 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

I've just begun Samuel Beckett, who is on the list, I think. I've also expanded Alexander Magnus and Arnaldus Daniel beyond ten thousand, if I'm not mistaken. Andrew Dalby 22:18, 8 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

Notice a couple of minor changes made anonymously to your list pages this morning. Andrew Dalby 09:16, 22 Iunii 2008 (UTC)

Citrus and en:Lemon

Hi Rolandus,

I have just rewritten Citrus, which now has interwiki-links to and from en:Citrus (instead of en:Lemon). This means that I have effectively eliminated one of the 1000 pages. I am planning to write an article called Limon to take its place, but not just yet. Best wishes, --Fabullus 14:14, 19 Iulii 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't help myself: I have created the stipula Limon after all. I shall transfer the hidden category from Citrus to Limon, and also make a new interwiki link on the English page. I leave it to you to change the reference in the many lists you have under your own name. Vale, --Fabullus 14:45, 19 Iulii 2008 (UTC)

Categoria proposita

I would be happy if you could have a look at the my proposed translation of en's template "CatDiffuse" at the end of Vicipaedia:Index_formularum_Vicipaediae_Latinae#Paginae s.v. Formulae Propositae. Is it all right (or at least a sound basis for debate) in terms of content, language and technical stuff? --Iovis Fulmen 11:47, 15 Augusti 2008 (UTC)

Disputatio:Hominideae

This is in your list of 1000 pages, Rolande, but I think there's a mistake somewhere. Andrew Dalby 21:00, 2 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

I would have said English ape is German Affe and vice versa. However:

• de:Affe is a redirect to de:Affen, which is linked to en:Simian, which is linked to de:Affen
• en:Ape is linked to de:Menschenartige
• we learn from en:Monkey that German has no word for this animal (since there is no interwiki link)

And on en:Ape Wikipedia tells that Romans called such an animal ( ) a Hominideae, which makes me believe that these animals must have always been kept in pairs or groups.

But when I look for German ape in my Latin dictionary, it says simia.

I guess this an example for this common-versus-scientific-name-problem wherever biologists are involved ;-) We should have two pages, because we have two contexts. We sometimes have two contexts (e. g. ancient and modern context) and run into this problem.

--Rolandus 06:58, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

OK. It seems Hominideae is a pure misspelling. It shouldn't be in any list of 1000 pages. Was the ill-informed editor on en:wiki aiming at Hominidae, maybe?

My only problem is knowing what to do about the 1000-page list. For the present, I've removed the interwiki links from Hominideae and marked it for deletion. Andrew Dalby 11:20, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

According to my page search, the word hominideae doesn't occur on the page en:Ape. I can't find any mention of Romans on that page, either. Maybe you'd better check again, Rolande! Andrew Dalby 11:37, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

This was meant to be ironical, because when I wrote this, there was an interwiki link to la:Hominideae. There is (and was) no explicit information on that page. Now en:Ape is linked to la:Hominoidea. Btw, there is also a German word de:Menschenaffe which is linked to la:Hominidae ... --Rolandus 08:55, 10 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

For reference, here are some pertinent definitions in Merriam-Webster, a dictionary widely used in the United States:

ape, monkey: esp: one of the larger tailless or short-tailed Old World forms; any of a family (Pongidae) of large tailless semierect primates (as the chimpanzees, gorilla, orangutan, or gibbon)—called also anthropoid, anthropoid ape

hominid, any of a family (Hominidae) of bipedal primate mammals that includes modern man (H. sapiens) and several extinct species

hominoid, resembling or related to man

monkey, a primate mammal with the exception of man and usu. the lemurs and tarsiers, esp: any of the smaller long-tailed primates as contrasted with the apes

simian, monkey, ape

Note that English supports a distinction between apes (larger, tailless or short-tailed, Old World) and monkeys (smaller, long-tailed). ¶ And according to Cassell's, Latin for 'monkey' is simia, and Latin for 'ape' is both simia and simius. IacobusAmor 11:40, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Iacobe. No mention of Hominideae there! Andrew Dalby 11:47, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)

I get it now. My lateral thinking wasn't operative. A possible name for the 1000 page list is Hominoidea and I have moved the ghostly Hominideae to that. If anyone prefers to rename it Simia or whatever, that's fine by me. Andrew Dalby 20:02, 9 Septembris 2008 (UTC)