Disputatio:Mahometus Muradus Ildan

Sorry for being sceptical, however, this article (and it's brothers and sisters in other Wikipedias) looks a bit strange to me. I have asked Usor:Cicero (see Disputatio Usoris:Cicero) to provide some extra information (ISBNs, etc.), if possible. --Rolandus 22:05, 19 Novembris 2006 (UTC)

Nomina

Hmmm, since Mehmet and Murat are both attested as Ottoman names, do we maybe want to Latinize to Maomethes Amorathes İldan? I also note that "Shakyamuni" is mentioned in Jesuit descriptions of Japan as Xaca. But I am unsure if that form, being a transcription 釈迦, should be used without reference to Japan. --Iustinus 19:01, 13 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Iustine, if Mehmet doesn't equal Mahometus, you might want to tell Wikipedia, which, s.v. Muhammad, says (boldface added): "The name is also transliterated as Mohammad, Mohammed, Mohamed, Muhammed, Mahommed, Mehmed, Mehmet, Mahomet. In Latin, it is Mahometus." IacobusAmor 05:15, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, maybe I'm thinking of Mahmud! But in any case, I can come up with a good rationale for using this rationale instead: there's actually a zillion Latin forms of Mohammed (granted, Mahometus has been my favorite since reading Eichenseer's translation of De Sigaris Pharaonis), and given Mr. İldan is Turkish, why not go with the Ottoman form? (Of course a flaw in this argument is that even for Mehmet there's more than one Latinization, but I like Maomethes because it was used by Christophorus Richerius Thorigneus in De Rebus Turcarum, a book which has a special place in my heart, being the first archaic book I looked up in special collections... this of course was for Wikipedia too ;) ) --Iustinus 05:37, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Heheh, I probably should have mentioned that one such Latinization is mentioned in another article I'm working on right now... ;) --Iustinus 06:28, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Delete

This article should be deleted. I who call for delete is admin on no:, no:Bruker:Orland. This article is spread to several editions of wp as a extreme self-pr without any reasonable notability

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Personally I'd like to wait and see what other wikis, with larger staffs, decide to do. --Iustinus 23:27, 23 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

{{iocus}}? --Rolandus 23:45, 23 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

I missed that you had already called this article into question above. It does look like the French are planning on keeping it though: see fr:Wikipédia:Pages à supprimer/Mehmet Murat İldan --Iustinus 00:04, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

Re: "wp as a extreme self-pr without any reasonable notability"—looks like he's got several books to his credit, and in several genres, and such an article is accordingly more justifiable than many already in Vicipaedia, non? IacobusAmor 01:04, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

You are right and I do not have a problem with less relevant things anyway, however, what I really would like to know is, whether that isn't a joke at all. Google does not help in this case: The books deal with Shakespeare, Galilei, Gandhi, Buddha. Millions of hits. These books might be listed at postion 370 or 1520. I gave up. The references are just two sources, in fact. The one might be a fake as well. I am not sure about the second: How can someone add an entry to www.kultur.gov.tr? Funny situation. --Rolandus 01:23, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)

the english article is obviously lying about his reputation, as it foresees how his reputation will be in the future. Please note the intro statement "Following his epistolary novel, en:The First Sorrows of Young Werther, he is regarded as a romantic writer", when the book in question is due to be published in february this year. This is indeed prophetic skills by the article's author. When the article also states that this unpublished «The First Sorrows of Young Werther» is his magnum opus, we can easily assume that this author is not notable, yet. --en:Orland 07:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC) --no:Orland 24. jan 2007 kl. 10:57 (CET)

The points to which you object—the prophecy, the epistolary novel, the estimate of the author's reputation—do not appear in Vicipaedia. IacobusAmor 12:34, 24 Ianuarii 2007 (UTC)