Disputatio Usoris:Katxis

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Salve, Katxis!

Gratus aut grata in Vicipaediam Latinam acciperis! Ob contributa tua gratias agimus speramusque te delectari posse et manere velle.

Cum Vicipaedia nostra parva humilisque sit, paucae et exiguae sunt paginae auxilii, a quibus hortamur te ut incipias:

Si plura de moribus et institutis Vicipaedianis scire vis, tibi suademus, roges in nostra Taberna, vel roges unum ex magistratibus directe.

In paginis encyclopaedicis mos noster non est nomen dare, sed in paginis disputationis memento editis tuis nomen subscribere, litteris impressis --~~~~, quibus insertis nomen tuum et dies apparebit. Quamquam vero in paginis ipsis nisi lingua Latina uti non licet, in paginis disputationum qualibet lingua scribi solet. Quodsi quid interrogare velis, vel Taberna vel pagina disputationis mea tibi patebit. Ave! Spero te "Vicipaedianum" aut "Vicipaedianam" fieri velle!


-- Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:12, 30 Decembris 2015 (UTC)

Reverti quia ...[fontem recensere]

Reverti mutationem tuam in categoria "Urbes Hispaniae" quia urbs per se non est subdivisio administrativa. Melius erit, si aliquae urbes sunt et communia, categoriam Categoria:Communia Hispaniae in singulis paginis addere; aut si sint e.g. municipia, categoriam novam e.g. Categoria:Municipia Hispaniae creare et in singulis paginis addere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:47, 25 Aprilis 2016 (UTC)

In case this was not clear I will explain in English. Cities are not, in themselves, administrative subdivisions. But any city which is also a commune or municipio should also be placed in the category "communia Hispaniae", which is a subcategory of "subdivisiones Hispaniae". Does that help? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:28, 12 Maii 2016 (UTC)

Formula:Historia Hispaniae[fontem recensere]

Hi, Katxis. I didn't understand at first because I did not know that you had just created this template. It looks fine to me. I think you made a very good start. Thank you! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:23, 12 Maii 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes[fontem recensere]

Salve, Katxis! First of all, let me thank you for your recent improvements to Vicipaedia!

Regarding infoboxes like Formula:Provincia romana or Formula:Disciplina medicinalis, a few months ago consensus was established on Vicipaedia not to create any more new infoboxes, but instead

  1. to add relevant information to the text of the article (using complete sentences), and
  2. gradually to switch over to infoboxes that display data from Wikidata only. See, for example, Formula:Capsa hominis Vicidata (in use e. g. on Ludovicus XIV) or Formula:Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata (in use e. g. on Achaia (provincia Romana) and Cyprus (provincia Romana)).

I have therefore proposed Formula:Provincia romana for deletion, since we have a nearly equivalent replacement from Vicidata available (Formula:Capsa subdivisionis Vicidata). Greetings, --UV (disputatio) 22:34, 29 Maii 2016 (UTC)

... but the navboxes ...[fontem recensere]

UV is right, and I should have pointed it out when you mentioned Cyprus to me, but I was very busy (at a conference) at that moment and I did not have time to check the page properly. I'm sorry.

... however, I want to thank you especially for the new navigation boxes you are creating (Like "De Medicina" etc.). These are extremely useful to Vicipaedia, especially to mobile users, because (unless things change, and who knows?) mobile users do not see categories at all. If they are to navigate among related pages, navboxes are the best way they can do it. You are giving them a great help.

I added some information in reply to your comment on UV's talk page. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 09:04, 30 Maii 2016 (UTC)

The infobox question[fontem recensere]

Your new infobox "Libri" faces the same problem as above: our consensus was not to introduce any more local infoboxes, and we are gradually reducing the number of older infoboxes that we have. The general problem is that they state as plain facts things that need discussion and footnoting; the added problem on a small wiki is that it is hard to maintain them and keep them up to date: the particular issue for Vicipaedia is that people come here (if they come at all) to read Latin, so we want useful information to be in our Latin text.

I think, if you really want to introduce this infobox, you should suggest it at the Vicipaedia:Taberna and see what others say. There are some issues on the two pages that I've noticed. For the Cantar de mio Cid it makes no sense to say civitas=Hispania: such a state did not exist at that time, and I don't think we know for certain under what kingdom or state the epic developed. For traditional texts such as epics there will rarely be an author, so this line will often need to be omitted. For such traditional texts even to specify a century may be to oversimplify. To define the genre of Don Quixote is not a simple matter, and this also is true of many of the most important works of world literature. (It's one of the things that makes them important!)

If I briefly considered introducing a Wikidata infobox for books or works of literature, I dropped the idea because Wikidata is by nature and design incapable of handling issues such as those above. There are some similar issues even for cities, states and administrative subdivisions, but at least, in those cases, a route to a solution can be mapped out.

There would be some changes of Latinitas to make in the "Libri" infobox, and the box seems to me too wide, but I'll postpone those questions because I think the ones I mention above are more important! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:33, 1 Iunii 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. You are welcome to wait and see what others say -- I am only one usor!
I was just looking around the wikis on the subject of Don Quixote. En:wiki and the Wikidata page say that the language is "Early Modern Spanish" but es:wiki says it is "Español medio", which means something quite different, and fr:wiki more wisely leaves it at "espagnol". That's just one example of the possible disagreements. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:48, 1 Iunii 2016 (UTC)
Well, I support what Andrew said above. I have now nominated Formula:Capsa libri for deletion. Greetings, --UV (disputatio) 22:39, 5 Iunii 2016 (UTC)

Categories[fontem recensere]

I noticed you said you might help with categories. If you like, you could look at our category guidelines Vicipaedia:De categoriis (there is an English version). A couple of ideas occur to me, but you may think of others completely different!

We often make categories for people, such as historical figures, artists, writers, music people, if there are three or more relevant pages. I did this for Categoria:Modestus Musorgskij today (because I happened to notice a relevant page that you had edited). Person categories are always added to subcategories of Categoria:Categoriae ex hominibus appellatae. After making a person category, one needs to add it to Wikidata if possible. Often the best place to find the Wikidata entry is via a Commons category page, because, even if not many other Wikipedias have a category for the person, Commons usually does. No great knowledge of Latin is required! You just adopt the Latin name from our biography page.

We also make categories for universities, university teachers ("professores") and alumni. If I see very short biographies (we have many) I often make them longer by adding information about university education etc. This demands a little Latin, however, to feel confident about confirming a Latin name for the university and then using the genitive of that name for teachers and alumni. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:38, 3 Iunii 2016 (UTC)

Another idea: There are currently more than 3200 "unconnected" category pages (= category pages not connected to a Wikidata item about a Wikimedia category) listed on Special:UnconnectedPages. While for some a corresponding Wikidata item currently does not exist (yet), others do have a corresponding Wikidata item but are just not connected to it yet. If you feel like it, you could try to reduce the number of entries on Special:UnconnectedPages ;-) Greetings, --UV (disputatio) 22:39, 5 Iunii 2016 (UTC)

Bibliographia[fontem recensere]

Que tal Katkis! Me alegro de su participacion aqui y tus corecciones. Te animo en sus estudias de latin. Con permiso, digame cuales su lengua materna? Lo siento de mi castellano pobre. A proposito, porque aqui es una enciclopedia la palabra Bibliographia es mas aceptado que 'Nota'. Pero no me importa tanto. --Jondel (disputatio) 12:57, 12 Iunii 2016 (UTC)

Pages you're working on[fontem recensere]

I moved two pages that are mostly not in Latin into your own userspace while you continue to work on them. Hope that's OK. You will find them at Usor:Katxis/Oeconomia Romae antiquae and Usor:Katxis/Cultura Romae antiquae, and of course you're free to move them back again as soon as the language of the text is Latin! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 11:54, 13 Iunii 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Katxis. I want to be helpful but I cannot spend time on your pages every day. I am only one user, like you, and I have my own work to do. I suggest, if you want help with each page, that you ask each time at the Vicipaedia:Taberna. But please keep on editing -- your work is really useful! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:16, 22 Iunii 2016 (UTC)