Disputatio Usoris:AndrewNJ

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Ottaviensis/Ottawensis[fontem recensere]

Hi, Andrew. It was good to find and source the form "Universitas Ottaviensis", but not so good to remove the preceding "Ottawensis" and its sources, because those sources were equally official. Vicipaedia needn't pretend there's only one good choice if there's actually more than one. So I restored the alternative and its sources.

Again, you might have waited briefly before making those related moves in case someone wanted to say that the other name was better for some reason. But the revised names are fine as far as I'm concerned! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:20, 29 Augusti 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking into it. You will find that one of the instances of 'Ottawensis' you cite is actually a mistranscription in the seller's description: the medal itself says 'Ottaviensis'. I am not aware of any official university document that reads 'Ottawensis', but would be happy to be proven wrong. AndrewNJ (disputatio) 12:10, 29 Augusti 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So far as I can see, the photo has been withdrawn (it was on eBay) and can no longer be verified unless we find another copy. Curses. It was a medal from the period of "Universitas Collegii Ottawensis". I was the one hunting for the evidence, and I think I did check the reading of the medal itself -- I like coins -- but, if you doubt it and think the seller's transcription is wrong, I now have no proof. (I actually had two reasons for verifying it, because until about that time we had found no reliable Latin equivalent of the phrase "university college", and we needed one.)
However, the other source, an inscription, can still be seen on the referenced page, and one would expect the mourners of that particular person to have got the Latin name of his institution right. My current hypothesis, which would account also for the more recent medal now offered on eBay, is that "Ottawensis" was once the college/university's preferred Latin spelling but isn't now. I, too, would be happy to be proved wrong! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:42, 29 Augusti 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That is interesting; further searching turns up another image of that medal. I imagine that your theory is correct; it would also be consistent to the greater openness to medieval Latin style in the earlier nineteenth century. AndrewNJ (disputatio) 13:48, 29 Augusti 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Andrew, yes, I just found that page too! I'm happy to think that I really did check the medal myself ... I was beginning to doubt it.
Certainly, many classicists prefer to avoid "w" in Latin names if it can be done. That was one reason why I agreed with your moves, the other reason being my guess that "Ottaviensis" is a the university's current preference. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:56, 29 Augusti 2018 (UTC)[reply]