Disputatio Formulae:Nondum stipula
(Redirectum de Disputatio Formulae:Non stipula)
Just a start ... --Rolandus 21:23, 20 Februarii 2007 (UTC)
- I changed xx weeks temporarily to 1 week so that the template says something specific. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:11, 12 Martii 2007 (UTC)
- Since I was applying this template and didn't know whether the relevant users speak English, I hastily changed it to Latin and shortened it. I admit I massively reduced the number of links but I think maybe a good thing would be to direct users (a) to the Taberna, as the template has always done, and (b) to an associated page on which all those other links can appear. That way, they don't multiply massively in the "Nexus ad paginam" pages.
- I'll put the English back in, in a dropdown section, when I can remember how to do that. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:19, 19 Septembris 2008 (UTC)
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Commentatio hac formula notanda est, nisi criteria in formula enumerata ad unum omnia observata sunt. Neander (disputatio) 18:18, 3 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- I think you meant to put this sentence on the "Formula" page itself -- that's what we most often do. I'll do it, and if I have lamentably misunderstood after all, you'll tell me, I'm sure. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:43, 3 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- Except that exceptions may occur. Most notably, the apparent prohibition on treating as a stipula an article that lacks a blue incoming link from elsewhere in Vicipaedia has traditionally been set aside for lemmata that have a taxobox showing precisely where in "the greater scheme of things" the topic of the article fits. Many such articles are lengthy, with examples, images, references, and such; these get the "Pagina non annexa" note. Even if the most appropriate incoming link is red (as, say, for the genus of a species), at least its presence in the taxobox puts the topic of the article in its proper intellectual place; for example, Murgantia histrionica, where the taxobox has the whole taxonomic tree in blue except for the genus, whence the most appropriate link will come. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:42, 3 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know any such tradition, Iacobe. The reason for requiring incoming links to a page (one at the very least) is that without them those navigating Vicipaedia via its internal links will never arrive at the page in question: it is lost to them.
- But you're right, certainly, in saying that the formula "Non annexa" is placed on pages that lack incoming links. It can be done automatically, and so the exact problem can be handily specified. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:58, 3 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- It's an ancient tradition. The not-quite-stipula Steganographia, for example, has been around since October 2006 and hasn't been deleted yet—and it lacks even the taxobox argument! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 22:06, 3 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- So what was the tradition exactly? Maybe, choosing not to delete pages that can very easily be brought up to stipula level? If that's it, yes, there has been! We have the category of non-annexae pages, and now Anne's helpful list; we have the category of uncategorized pages (albeit a logical impossibility) and UV's helpful list of those. The aim being not to waste useful work ... but to bring them gradually up to scratch. We all work on that stuff. No argument there :) [Post Neandrum addidi: But, as your example of Steganographia well demonstrates, maybe we have let some such pages linger on too long.] Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:19, 4 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- Traditio antiqua an praetermissio incurià facta? Siquidem concilium climaticum Cancuniense "non stipulam" notasti, quin etiam steganographiam, quamquam brevior est, fontibus caret, "aliquid maius" desiderat, infelicique Latinitate exarata est? Neander (disputatio) 10:27, 4 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- Quia nemo usque adhuc vidit! Id satis demonstrat, fortasse, nos malo consilio paginas "non annexas" per menses et annos retinere: si haec pagina ex aliis paginis iam annexa fuisset, Vicipaediani plures iam viderint. Quam paginam lectam aut Vicipaedianus quis iam diu melioraverit, aut formulam "Non stipula" iam diu imposuerit (et pagina iam diu deleta erit).
- An oportet igitur limitem temporis in formulam "Non annexa" inserere? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:45, 4 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- Traditio antiqua an praetermissio incurià facta? Siquidem concilium climaticum Cancuniense "non stipulam" notasti, quin etiam steganographiam, quamquam brevior est, fontibus caret, "aliquid maius" desiderat, infelicique Latinitate exarata est? Neander (disputatio) 10:27, 4 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- So what was the tradition exactly? Maybe, choosing not to delete pages that can very easily be brought up to stipula level? If that's it, yes, there has been! We have the category of non-annexae pages, and now Anne's helpful list; we have the category of uncategorized pages (albeit a logical impossibility) and UV's helpful list of those. The aim being not to waste useful work ... but to bring them gradually up to scratch. We all work on that stuff. No argument there :) [Post Neandrum addidi: But, as your example of Steganographia well demonstrates, maybe we have let some such pages linger on too long.] Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 10:19, 4 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- It's an ancient tradition. The not-quite-stipula Steganographia, for example, has been around since October 2006 and hasn't been deleted yet—and it lacks even the taxobox argument! IacobusAmor (disputatio) 22:06, 3 Februarii 2015 (UTC)
- Except that exceptions may occur. Most notably, the apparent prohibition on treating as a stipula an article that lacks a blue incoming link from elsewhere in Vicipaedia has traditionally been set aside for lemmata that have a taxobox showing precisely where in "the greater scheme of things" the topic of the article fits. Many such articles are lengthy, with examples, images, references, and such; these get the "Pagina non annexa" note. Even if the most appropriate incoming link is red (as, say, for the genus of a species), at least its presence in the taxobox puts the topic of the article in its proper intellectual place; for example, Murgantia histrionica, where the taxobox has the whole taxonomic tree in blue except for the genus, whence the most appropriate link will come. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 21:42, 3 Februarii 2015 (UTC)