Disputatio:Societas Manufollii Universitatis Oxoniensis
Societatis nomen[fontem recensere]
Si Anglicum verbum 'game' est ludus, -i, m., cur est societatis nomen Universitas Oxoniensis Manuludium Societas, non Universitatis Oxoniensis Manuludi Societas vel Manuludi Societas Oxoniensis? IacobusAmor 16:42, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- Puto optime Hispanice scribere ut mihi intellegas. Creé Manuludium para balonmano en el mismo modo en que pediludium es fútbol. Luego, como el nombre del club es una aposición (Oxford University Handball Club) pensé que sería mejor hacerlo en Latín como una aposición antes que usar extraños genitivos que no hay en el nombre inglés ("Oxford University's Handball Club)--Xaverius 16:51, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- Ahora habría que mover esto a Universitas Oxoniensis Manufollium Societas (Manuludium => Manufollium), but now you have made me doubt of the convenience of the name.--Xaverius 17:11, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- If you can slip into Spanish, I can slip into English!
- English is oddly receptive of nouns in apposition: Latin definitely isn't. You can't do that here, I think. You also have to keep in mind that the word order in an English noun phrase using apposition would normally be totally reversed in the nearest equivalent Latin phrase. I would say "Societas Manufollii Universitatis Oxoniensis". Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:23, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, I just did not know how to say or use "aposición" in English... Then the word order in Latin should be closer to the Spanish? "club de Balonmano [de la] Universidad de Oxford" which would turn out to be... "Societas Manufollii Universitatis Oxoniensis"... I take my hat off--Xaverius 17:28, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- I would say Spanish is a much better guide than English to the way a Latin speaker would put a phrase together. Aren't you lucky? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:32, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- I have been Anglicised upt to a certain point where it is dificult to go back--Xaverius 17:43, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- Credo verbum simplex esse follis, -is, m., non follium, -ii, n.; ergo recte societas manufollis 'handball club', ¿no? IacobusAmor 18:30, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- I have been Anglicised upt to a certain point where it is dificult to go back--Xaverius 17:43, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- I would say Spanish is a much better guide than English to the way a Latin speaker would put a phrase together. Aren't you lucky? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:32, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, I just did not know how to say or use "aposición" in English... Then the word order in Latin should be closer to the Spanish? "club de Balonmano [de la] Universidad de Oxford" which would turn out to be... "Societas Manufollii Universitatis Oxoniensis"... I take my hat off--Xaverius 17:28, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
- Ahora habría que mover esto a Universitas Oxoniensis Manufollium Societas (Manuludium => Manufollium), but now you have made me doubt of the convenience of the name.--Xaverius 17:11, 4 Octobris 2007 (UTC)