Disputatio:Mate

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I made some changes as I was converting this to real Latin.

Mate is an infusum; tea is also an infusum, but mate is not thea. We have no justification, I believe, to call it thea.

You'll find a reference (though nothing more) to "Thea paraguaiensis (Matté)" at this site from 1848. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 03:46, 4 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a great find, Iacobe! Then maybe we should move the page to that name. What do you think? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:04, 5 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, mate is not a Latin word and herba matis does not exist as a Latin phrase. But maybe someone will find them in a Latin pharmaceutical work?
I didn't understand "plerumque his amarus potus est". Please correct if necessary.

I'd guess the attempted idea, the words being interpreted completely out of context (I haven't attempted to read the article), is "it's usually drunk unsweetened," but you never know. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 15:51, 3 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Iacobe. I agree, and I think my text gets this across. I had to leave it unfinished and eat my dinner, hence it was still hard to read, but better (with luck) after my next edit. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:26, 3 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The illustration surely shows a calabash-shaped metal cup, not a calabash? Or is there a calabash inside it? If so, that needs to be explained. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 15:29, 3 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I was wrong there: the reflection on the surface confused me. I have changed the image to one that is possibly easier to interpret. Is that OK? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:42, 3 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course, it is not necessary to call all drinks from the leaves "tea" (I should not have added the category "tea"). Demetrius Talpa (disputatio) 17:48, 3 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both of you. Following a clue in en:wiki I was able to cite a relevant article, so I think, finally, our page is OK now. Hope you agree! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:52, 3 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that the Tupi and Guarani invented or discovered this drink is perhaps bold, but, considering the recentness of human habitation in southern South America, not as bold as it would be in other regions. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:14, 3 Octobris 2021 (UTC)[reply]