Disputatio:Luke Skywalker

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Nomen[fontem recensere]

Pro Lucio, melius Lucas (quia nomen ex Anglico Luke deducitur)? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:07, 26 Iunii 2012 (UTC)

Salve Iacobus! Nonne sit Lucius latinitatis? (Iam legi origines Etruscani, Graecique)Amabote ne nimis interpreteris latinitatem. Sed mutes (ad istam Lucas)si non commodus sis cum ita 'Lucius'. Luke, autem, est nomen originis et ideo absolute rectus sicut lemma (accurate "Luke Skywalker"). Jondel (disputatio) 00:21, 27 Iunii 2012 (UTC)
Salvete. Apud situm Behind the Name hoc habemus de nomine Anglico Luke. Bene situs est, et maximus indiciorum thesaurus (indiciorum thesaurus database Latine) habet, sed infeliciter non dicit fontes suos.
Donatello (disputatio) 17:21, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC).
Ita Donatello, durum est sine fonte. Intelectu tuo gaudeo.Jondel (disputatio) 12:26, 25 Februarii 2013 (UTC)

Movenda Luke Skywalker[fontem recensere]

Sicut fonte. Non est terragena. Non deducamus ex "Luke". --Jondel (disputatio) 11:29, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)

Anglice[fontem recensere]

Luke Skywalker is a fictional person in the Star Wars series raised by his uncle and farmer Owen Lars and Beru Lars and also selected by Master Obi Wan Kenobi to become the mystic Jedi Knight to fight evil. He becomes a leader of the rebellion and general of the military and so skillful that he destroys the Death Star. He discovers Darth Vader is his own father and converts him from evil to good. But tragically, Darth Vader is killed. Luke is the twin to Princess Leia.--Jondel (disputatio) 02:19, 7 Februarii 2013 (UTC)

De verbo tragice[fontem recensere]

Verbum tragice debet esse in Cassell's. Qua res est de isto verbo?--Jondel (disputatio) 03:46, 7 Februarii 2013 (UTC)

Two points: (1) This tragically, as it stands, inserts a POV and on that account should be deleted. (2) To elevate the merely sad to the level of tragedy can be fulsome, perhaps even with a hint of purple prose. So little Joanie's puppy died? A tragedy? Well, no. Not every unhappy event is a tragedy. If the events of this screenplay are truly tragic, the text will tell us how. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 12:56, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
Err, he was dying/died in his son's arms whom he just saved! Jondel (disputatio) 13:58, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
That makes him dead, not tragic. IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:32, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
Anyway, we can agree on infeliciter? (unfortunately)? Jondel (disputatio) 13:58, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
Infeliciter may also express a POV? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:31, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
It may, you're right. I was briefly puzzling over whether, in retelling the plot of a story, we may be allowed to say things that, in narrating history, we can't. But no. George Lucas or someone wanted this to happen. Who are we to contradict him and say it's unfortunate?! If we quote a character who mourns the death, that's quite different: we can do that, of course. But we are neutral. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:42, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's my point! Similarly with characterizers seen in phases like "X was a famous composer from hamlet Y." Well, sez who? IacobusAmor (disputatio) 14:58, 24 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Iacobus and Andrew for pointing out NPOV. I assumed it was an issue of Latinity. I propose deleting it altogether in a few days. Im adding that link you gave Iacobus for Latin studies (vocabulary).Jondel (disputatio) 12:24, 25 Februarii 2013 (UTC)
It's partly that putting "Tragically" in that lead position was weak English in any case (agree, Iacobe)? If you were going to say specifically that the death of Darth Vader constitutes a tragic scene in this film, you'd be using "tragic" as a technical term in dramatic art. That could be NPOV ... and it could be true, too! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:26, 25 Februarii 2013 (UTC)

I am removing tragice as per issues of neutrality. Please feel free to restore. Jondel (disputatio) 12:10, 4 Martii 2013 (UTC)