Disputatio:Lingua Iaponica
Why is the japanese here "latinized"? That's ridiculous! "Watashi wa" becomes "Vatasi va". It's absurd. --BiT 21:44, 26 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)
- Why? Probably because classical Latin "v" is pronounced [w], and Latin ears hear [ʃ] as [s]. (Hence English Chicago becomes Latin Sicagum.) Japanese isn't ordinarily written in an alphabet anyway. IacobusAmor 22:02, 26 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)
- It's not entirely certain that Latin (well... Roman) ears hear [ʃ] as /s/, but it is that Japanese do — see, e.g., Kunrei romanization. The ears that wrote the first Japanese grammar in Latin (english trans) would have spelled it vataxi va, with a v because w hadn't been invented yet, and an x because he was Iberian. —Mucius Tever
- Ioshe: locus classicus huius verbi est "parturiunt montes, nascetur ridiculus mus"? IacobusAmor 14:05, 27 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)
- It isn't done anywhere else to the best of my knowledge. --BiT 19:28, 30 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)
- I rather agree with BiT about this. As with Sanskrit, if there is a transliteration used internationally, for a language that has no close cultural connections with the Latin-speaking world, I think there are strong arguments for choosing the international standard. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 19:56, 30 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)
- It's not entirely certain that Latin (well... Roman) ears hear [ʃ] as /s/, but it is that Japanese do — see, e.g., Kunrei romanization. The ears that wrote the first Japanese grammar in Latin (english trans) would have spelled it vataxi va, with a v because w hadn't been invented yet, and an x because he was Iberian. —Mucius Tever
Quis es? Et cur?[fontem recensere]
Hodie addidit noster 132.170.38.255, usor ignotus: Lingua Iaponica abecedariis Duibus "Hiragana et Katakana" utor. Quis es? et cur nobis oportet curare quibus verbis uteris? Quid significat Duibus? IacobusAmor 00:52, 14 Ianuarii 2009 (UTC)
hominibus vs hominium[fontem recensere]
In any language, isn't : The language is spoken 'by' (hominibus) ; easier on the ears than: The language of 127.. people(hominium) is spoken; ?? --Jondel 16:47, 21 Februarii 2009 (UTC)
- The reason for the genitive is that when speaking of very large numbers (say, beyond 1000) Latin normally uses a genitive. But the correct form is hominum.
- "Is spoken by" is difficult in Latin because loquor is a deponent verb (it has no passive). So, one solution is to make the people the subject, "120 millions of people speak Japanese". There are various other solutions. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 18:32, 21 Februarii 2009 (UTC)
- Ok. thanks.--Jondel 21:34, 21 Februarii 2009 (UTC)
literarum Japonicarum[fontem recensere]
Title Isagoge in bibliothecam Japonicam et studium literarum Japonicarum. Lugduni Batav. 1841 Bibliotheca Japonica Authors Philipp Franz von Siebold, Makinosima Terutake Publisher Ex officina ed., 1841 Original from Austrian National Library Digitized Nov 27, 2012
Rajmaan (disputatio) 04:42, 17 Ianuarii 2013 (UTC)
Removi[fontem recensere]
I removed some examples for which the annotations were not in Latin or Japanese. I couldn't understand them. It's fine to put them back, but with explanations in Latin. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 17:46, 31 Augusti 2015 (UTC)