Disputatio:Expeditio sacra

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"Crusader"[fontem recensere]

Elsewhere in Vicipaedia (e.g., Comitatus Edessanus), cruciatus, -i is being used for 'crusader'. Is that use attested? IacobusAmor 12:55, 2 Novembris 2008 (UTC)

It means "tortured", doesn't it? Our usual term is surely "Cruce signati": we even have a category Categoria:Cruce signati. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:15, 2 Novembris 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I'd thought it'd have meant. Some form of it still appears in several articles, but I don't have time at the moment to hunt them all down. In Ruda, you'll find a multiple horror: Ruda a equitibus cruciatis reconstructa est. IacobusAmor 14:50, 2 Novembris 2008 (UTC)

"Cruciare" for going on a crusade is actually attested. The Dictionary of Medieval Latin from British Sources gives citations for the following meanings: "3 a to take the cross (as crusader). b (p. ppl.) pledged to a crusade, (as sb. m.) crusader. c (p. ppl. as sb. f. or n.) crusading force, crusade."

Well, OK. Point taken. But it may still not be the best word to choose: there is a serious ambiguity. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:48, 19 Iunii 2016 (UTC)
I agree: just putting it out there. Lesgles (disputatio) 16:26, 19 Iunii 2016 (UTC)

Passagium[fontem recensere]

Medieval word. There are sources. I'll add them in a while. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:39, 4 Augusti 2012 (UTC)

I'm currently expanding this page gradually. Might be best to hold off with the tweaks, Iacobe, because, if we edit-conflict, either my expansion or your tweaks will be wasted. I'll say when I'm done. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 13:43, 4 Augusti 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's fine. I'd thought you were finished at 10K, but if you're going for the 30K prize, have at it! ;) (I myself been boosting the smallest of the 1000 paginae.) IacobusAmor (disputatio) 11:32, 5 Augusti 2012 (UTC)
Oh, yes, I've noticed. Luckily on Vicipaedia there's plenty of room for all. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:07, 5 Augusti 2012 (UTC)

E summario "Where did the river of blood go?!" Yes, I really like the picture but I couldn't discover its source. If I'm improving a page, I like to use images that are fully sourced. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:02, 4 Augusti 2012 (UTC)

An overview or conclusion is still wanted, but I've passed 30,000 so I'll leave it there, at least for the moment. The bibliography could of course be expanded infinitely but I suggest not doing so! I've tried to limit it strictly to works that cover several crusades or all of them, because in addition to this page we have (or need to have) separate articles about each crusade. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 21:04, 5 Augusti 2012 (UTC)

conaverunt?[fontem recensere]

Compluribus locis lego conaverunt nesciens, quid isto verbo significetur. Num vis dicere conati sunt? - Bavarese (disputatio) 11:25, 5 Augusti 2012 (UTC)

Recte mones! Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 12:07, 5 Augusti 2012 (UTC)

Bellum iustum[fontem recensere]

Papa Romanus id genus expeditionum, quod ut peregrinationem armatam habebat, "bellum iustum" denuntiavit.

Haec fortasse verum est, sed volo fontem citare. An quis adiuvare potest? Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 20:13, 5 Augusti 2012 (UTC)

Illa aetate communis opinio totius christianitatis erat peregrinationes armatas in numero bellorum iustorum esse habendas. Eiusmodi belli notae a sancto Augustino - Ciceronis usus definitionibus - sic declarantur:
Bellum est iustum, quod
  • habet finem iustum: geritur ad pacem recuperandam vel ad iniuriam propulsandam (quod apud Thomam A. recta intentio est)
  • habet causam iustam: velut bellatur contra iniurias ab hostibus illatas
  • iubetur a legitima auctoritate: vel a papa vel a principe.
Num omnibus papalibus bullis aliud praedicatur? Mihi non videtur verisimile in quavis adhortatione illud argumentum capitale allatum non esse. - Bavarese (disputatio) 19:12, 7 Augusti 2012 (UTC)
Fortasse necesse est paginam discretivam habeamus quia locutioni bellum iustum sunt duae significationes: (1) apud Cassell's (Anglice), 'regular, perfect, complete, suitable war' (apud Ciceronem, Livium); et (2) bellum supra explicatum (in philosophia Christiana). IacobusAmor (disputatio) 19:21, 7 Augusti 2012 (UTC)