Disputatio:Aznarius I Galindus (comes Aragoniae)
The current Latinization (Aznar I Galindi filius )is almost certainly wrong. --Iustinus 08:58, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Because of the "Aznar" or the "Galindi filius"?--Xaverius 09:00, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Well, both really. So far as I can tell by googling (and please discourage me from doing anything more until tomorrow afternoon ;) ) the normal Latin form of Aznar seems to be Aznarius. I can't find a sure reference for what the proper Latin for this man's surname should be, but I kind of doubt that in the 9th century they were still rendering -ez names as patronymics. If you do some research I bet you can find out. Afterall, we ARE dealing with medieval europe here, it's not like contemporary Latin was a rarity. --Iustinus 09:18, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough, you don't have to do anything until tomorrow afternoon... but In Spain at least -ez names were patronymics until the 12th/13th century. It is certain that until the age of El Cid (11th c.) at least sons took the -ez name from thier fathers: el Cid was Rodrigo Díaz, and his son was Diego Rodríguez, his king was Alfonso VI Fernández, son of king Fernando I Sánchez and her wife was Jimena Díaz, not because he married Rodrigo Díaz but because she was the daughter of Diego Jiménez of Oviedo. --Xaverius 09:30, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Just in case, I have this page (which I tend to consult) where there are plenty of medieval texts, but they are all from Castille and León, so little on Aragon and our count Aznar--Xaverius 09:34, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Oh right, El Cid, who in Latin is called Rodericus Campidoctus Campidoctor or Campidoctus. I see you changed the title of that article. I wish I had been more scrupulous about giving citations back when I wrote it, because otherwise how are you supposed to know that the name is "official"? Well, I know I still have xeroxes of both the Historia Roderici and the Carmen Campidoctoris somewhere, I'll just have to remember where I put them. --Iustinus 09:52, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Just in case, I have this page (which I tend to consult) where there are plenty of medieval texts, but they are all from Castille and León, so little on Aragon and our count Aznar--Xaverius 09:34, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough, you don't have to do anything until tomorrow afternoon... but In Spain at least -ez names were patronymics until the 12th/13th century. It is certain that until the age of El Cid (11th c.) at least sons took the -ez name from thier fathers: el Cid was Rodrigo Díaz, and his son was Diego Rodríguez, his king was Alfonso VI Fernández, son of king Fernando I Sánchez and her wife was Jimena Díaz, not because he married Rodrigo Díaz but because she was the daughter of Diego Jiménez of Oviedo. --Xaverius 09:30, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)
- Well, both really. So far as I can tell by googling (and please discourage me from doing anything more until tomorrow afternoon ;) ) the normal Latin form of Aznar seems to be Aznarius. I can't find a sure reference for what the proper Latin for this man's surname should be, but I kind of doubt that in the 9th century they were still rendering -ez names as patronymics. If you do some research I bet you can find out. Afterall, we ARE dealing with medieval europe here, it's not like contemporary Latin was a rarity. --Iustinus 09:18, 30 Maii 2007 (UTC)