Disputatio:Pseudohistoria Vincentii Bunei
Wikipedian infamy on V. Bune etc.[recensere | fontem recensere]
-To A.Dalby, I.Amor et al.- erasors & persecutors on V. Bune (& on G. Menzies ...etc.):
- 1. You evidently ignore what means a true 'theory' (it is result of wiki-antielitism): this on Bune's sailing may be only named a thesis or hypothesis .
- 2. You can find even more abundant details on such Dalmatian overseas naming, elaborated in dozen comparable articles of other independent wikis, e.g. in Russian Wikislavia (wikislavia.volgota.com), in Croatian Wikislavia (hr.volgota.com) - and the most detailed and exhaustive in the new Adriatic-Chakavian wiki (chak.volgota.com/index.php/Main_Page) -encyclopaedia being accessible on the net shortly after New year 2008.
- 3. V. Bune is evident and clear to other independent scientists out of westernized Wikipedia; but you are true 'wikipedists' and also Westerners, and so ideologically cannot accept at all that an 'obscure Dalmatian Slav' may be prior to the glorious and powerful Western colonialists: this is the essential problem, for you rigidly believe that only victors must write history and create public opinion.
- 4. For the same dogmat reasons, some other independent and objective wikis e.g. giant Chinese Baidu-Baike, also big Russian Wikislavia, Pan-European Metapedia , and Wikipilipinas, all ones abandoned out of such Wikipedia - and now together they have yet nearly 3,000,000 articles (including abundantly & iteratively V. Bune)!
- 5. For future public insights on your revisionist 'history', these dishonest manipulations with V. Bune accross Wikipedias, all are copied and reproduced in above non-wikipedist 4 eastern encyclopedias for next readers! --Former user:GeoLatina, December 30, 2007
- Thanks, GeoLatina. Precise citations of the relevant articles could be added here: it would be useful to document the spread of belief in Bune's explorations.
- For comments on your other points, see Disputatio:Vincentius Buneus. Andrew Dalby 10:38, 29 Decembris 2007 (UTC)
- One can find now all new & former data and their analyses on V. Bune, published by a studying group of - M. Rac, M.H. Mileković et al.: V.B. Petrov and other Croatian navigators in medieval oceans. Proc. 3 scient. symposia 'Early Croats' (2001-2006), 820 p., ITG - Zagreb 2007. --GeoLatina, II Januarii MMVIII
- An afterthought: three questions that you might be able to help with. Can you maybe explain the meaning and origin of the terms "Old Veyan" and "Gan-Veyan" used by Yoshamya? In what language is the book Gan-Veyan written? And, did that symposium in Tehran really focus on the theme that the Croats have an Old Iranian origin? Andrew Dalby 13:36, 29 Decembris 2007 (UTC)
Next are the available informations on your above questions:
- This Yoshamya's book Gan-Veyan (1224 p.) is poliglott, i.e. 1/4 of them is a major digest in French & English with English-NeoLiburnic-English glossary (11,700 words), and 1/2 is in Croatian with including Grammar & complete inverse glossaries (27,500 words). Then 1/5 in book are the examples of original folk songs, tales, and legends with English & Croat translation, and the rest is their bio-genetics, etc.
- In this local archidiom Veyan means native or domicil (and may be ancient isoglosse of the Vedic veyah and Avestan vaejo), and gan = language (also gan in Vedas ?), i.e. Gan-Veyan is litteraly: 'Native Language'.
- This Iranian symposium 1998 & proceedings of 1999 were really focused on possible Persian origin of earliest Croats, and also 3 subsequent symposia (2001-2006) on this topic completed these analyses. Now their general conclusions may be: after linguists' consensus, Croatian name is undoubtely not Slavic nor European, but of Indo-Iranian origin. New biogenetic data suggest that these leading Indo-Iranians were a ruling minority then slavicised. The original genomic Slavs in Croatia are also a relative minority of 1/4 to 1/3, and the majority (about 1/2) are the aborigine genetic descendants of ancient Illyrians - now mostly slavicized there. This may be a similar case as romanicized leading Franks in France with genomic majority of Gauls, or as in Bulgaria with also slavicised minoritary Bulgars & abundant Thracians, etc. --GeoLatina, II Januarii MMVIII
I retrieved now the following interesting paragraph in: Wikislavia (hr.volgota.com & also: chak.volgota.com), that may become important in a short time for the current wiki-controversies about V. Bune & Yoshamya's (copy follows)
The newest biogenetic analyses of DNA in Dalmatians (chiefly at port Makarska and Hvar island), among other expectable European haplogroups, there detected also quite exotic genoms very rare or absent elsewhere in Europe - but the same one is abundant and dominant far away in SE Asian populations including Indochina, Indonesia etc. That implyes really: among all Europeans, old Dalmatians justly had the most intense direct (sexual) contacts with SE Asia, resulting both by these biogenetic and by above naming links (Anthropological Institute, Zagreb: in press).--GeoLatina, II Januarii MMVIII