Disputatio:Institutum Technologiae Carolsruhense

Nuntium de nomine longo (accepi 29 Aprilis 2008 --Alex1011 09:02, 30 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)):

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Fakultät für Chemieingenieurwesen und Verfahrenstechnik - Department of Chemical and Process Engineering - Faculté de Génie Chimique et de Génie des Procédés - Departamento de Ingeniería Química y Procesos Químicos

Salve Facultas artificium chemicorum Universitatis litterarum ad Quietatem Caroli in Germania Superiore vos salvere iubet.

Ars processuum - etiam appellatur scientia artificium chemicorum sequens linguam Britannicam (Chemical Engineering) vel linguam Gallicam (Génie Chimique) - est scientia artificium, quae operam dat commutationi materiarum (materiae rudes, intermateriae, materiae depositae) natura (ex oleo terrae fiunt materiae artificiosae), qualitate (ex saccharo crystallino fit pulvis sacchari et saccharum tesselatum) vel compositione (ex materiis depositis mixtis fiunt materiae depositae generis puri pro reusui). Inter fundamentas productionis sicut ars virium viventium vel ars conficiendi numeratur.

Facultas nostra anno MCMLXIX condita inter novissimas Universitatis ad Quietatem Caroli est. Sed cultus artificium chemicorum hic historiam longam habet. Prima universitas Germanica iam anno MCMXXVIII partem studiorum artificium chemicorum inter disciplinas recepit. Hoc Rudolfo Plank incitatum est, qui etiam Aemilium Kirschbaum ad Quietatem Caroli advocavit. Kirschbaum artem machinas chemicas construendi in disciplina scientaque repraesentabat et cum Carolo Bunte partem studiorum novam colebat. Exemplum Quietatis Caroli multis universitatibus litterarum susceptum est plurimum nomine artis processuum. Summa studiorum usque ad praeexamen cum summa artium mechanicarum consentiebat. Confirmatio in artibus chemicis sequebatur coniuncte cum arte machinas chemicas construendi. Postremo ars machinas construendi gravissimam artem huius educationis fecit.

Postea chemicae partes educationis maioris momenti erant. Intima cooperatio artium scientarumque facultatem conditam induxit. Anno MCMXCIV circa MDC studiosi XVIII professoribus et circa CLXXX expertis doctis coluntur. Ad Facultatem Universitatem http://www.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de/fakultaet/salve.html http://www2.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de/fakultaet/salve.html Mutatio novissima: pridie Idus Ianuarii anno MCMXCVI p. Chr. n. webmaster@ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de

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Viele Grüße Alexander Bondar.

FINIS NUNTII

Textum intulit: --Alex1011 22:39, 29 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

De coniunctione 2009

N.B. pl:Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:58, 7 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

De novo nomine

Die 2 Aprilis movi textum paginae "Fridericiana (universitas Carolsruhensis)" ad "Carolsruhae Institutum Technologiae", quid est nomen institutionis illae ab 2009, ommitens salutationem facultatis rerum chemicarum cogitans non esse irrelevantem pro pagina recente, et addidi redirectionem ab nomine antiquo ad nomine novo.

Si duas paginas vis (vel cogitas ut usores vellint) pro universitate illa, minime recense paginam Fridericianam ut clarissimum sit paginam de instituto nondum existente narrare, rogo. – Kalkühl (disputatio)

Ita: oportet paginam de universitate antiqua retinere: Vicipaedia enim non est directorium sed encyclopaedia.

Nota bene: apud Vicipaedias non licet textum paginarum delere et alibi inserere. Qui id faciunt, historiam paginarum scriptorumque separant et fortasse perdunt. Si paginas movere vis, tibi necesse est conventum aperire: ita, post quattuor dies, potebis paginas rite (et facilius) ad nova nomina movere. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 14:23, 7 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

Excusa me, conventum quamquam habeo (sole concluseram cum superne scripsi, sed recensionem meam anteriorem in convento faciam), rare recenso, imprimis in haec vicipaedia. Itaque oblitus sum movendi paginarum in contexto historiae auctorium. Naturaliter pagina Fridericianae remanenda est, sed rogo ubi differat pagina Instituti. Estne optio melior quam (a) delere paginam Instituti (quia non habet historiam auctorium), (b) movere paginam Fridericianae ad 'Carolsruhae Institutum Technologiae', quia hic est nomen institutionis novus et Fridericianae pagina nulla continebit quid non in pagina Instituti necesse tamen est (relinqens redirectionem) et (c) recensere paginam Instituti ut narret situationem recentam? – Kalkühl (disputatio) 15:09, 7 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

I will write in English, but if you don't understand English I will translate into Latin. OK?

The reasons why I thought that the older page should perhaps be retained are (a) that KIT is described as a merger of two institutions, and (b) it has a completely new name.

If it was a simple renaming of one institution, a single page, listing all the names and giving the full history, would be fine. Because it is a merger, we should really have a page for each of the two older institutions: there is no reason to combine those two, if for 53 years they were independent of one another. If we do that, then it made sense to have a new page for the new "Institute". Because of that quick and simple logic, it was easiest for me to restore the old page and wait to see what you did next!

But my impression is that the Institute can in fact be treated historically as a continuation of the old university. If you're happy with that conclusion, I'll delete the new page, move the old one in the proper way, and rename the categories. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 16:31, 7 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that conclusion is what I thought, and the German and English Wikipedia have the same consensus (and neither has a separate page for the old TU or the lab), which makes sense if you consider it less of a merger and more of an absorbtion of the research institution into the university coninciding with a fancy name change of the later. – Kalkühl (disputatio) 16:41, 8 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

[PS: Only out of interest: Did you switch language for ease of writing (I know that I have to conjure a significant amount of modern Latin words from somewhere and think hard about the grammar) or for ease of reading (because honestly the type of text that I hack together in Latin for a discussion like this is so full of unfitting constructions and words that I sometimes wonder if it actually sais what I want it to say)? – Kalkühl (disputatio) 00:12, 9 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)]

Apologies for abandoning this conversation -- I have been in Berlin for a few days. For that reason my mind was focused more on German than on Latin!

I think you do pretty well in Latin :) As for me, I use Latin more and more often, in discussions too, but this is about details of cataloguing and naming of institutions -- a subject in which I was, long ago, a professional in England. For that reason, this is a topic in which English comes easier to me. I'm glad it was OK for you as well. Andrew Dalby (disputatio) 08:40, 13 Aprilis 2013 (UTC)

"Universitas litterarum ad Quietatem Caroli in Germania Superiore"

https://fr.glosbe.com/fr/la/Universit (Francogallice, Latine) --Alex1011 (disputatio) 15:00, 11 Novembris 2015 (UTC)